iank
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| posted on 13/3/13 at 08:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Pat_T
I thought this was very cool when it was posted! Just needs a decent bike motor...
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25968
 
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[Edited on 13/3/13 by Pat_T]
That's John Beardmores car (JB on here, though he doesn't visit much these days)
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/new_project.htm
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
a bog std. pug 106 is about 760kg (s1 4speed) - and it could loose a bit easily enough
or the citroen ax is even lighter (same running gear)
Yes I had already checked the 106, not the AX though.
quote:
Originally posted by bi22le
what about a suzuki capaccino thingy.
quote:
Originally posted by FASTdan
On another note, my vote goes with the Busa cappucino!! Great suggestion!
725 kg as standard, pretty heavy for the narrow track, isn't it?
[Edited on 14/3/13 by Alez]
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
A Banks Lotus Europa or a Banks Smart Roadster!
Both look fantastic. A friend told me once that the Roadster was the best handling car he had driven, I was impressed because he's also driven
the Elise and others but he said the Roadster corners better.
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Alez
They are aorund 750 kg.
Which GTM are you referring to, there are several different cars? The GTM Coupe weighs around 610kg with an A series engine and box. The original
Cox GTM was weighed at 533kg (with 10 inch steel wheels etc).
I meant the Libra (I think that's the one you mean by Coupe). The Wikipedia page doesn't say weight, so I searched for "gtm libra
curb weight" on Google and got the ballpark figure from
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/
I didn't know about this earlier Coupe, but I'm really liking it.
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
or a davrian , if you can find one....
I didn't know that one, apparently it was extremely light at around 460 kg, and it looks really nice too.
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
Mine has the weight distribution of an old 911, the wheelbase of a Fiat 126, and lots of power hopefully. If I was building a circuit racer, I wouldnt
be where I am, MK Midi / Riot/ seven type of car would be my choice.
And my choice too  I've set good handling as requirement because that's key for having fun on track days but that's about it.
I'm happy to consider any cars that "look like a good idea". Obviously you wouldn't do that for racing, as you would tend to
choose a well proven solution, often mid-front engined like you suggest.
quote:
Originally posted by T66
BTW - Take a look at your Ultimas front suspension, then look at mine.
Well, I'm extremely impressed about my Ultima's handling but not so much about its front suspension complexity, in fact my one isn't
even rose jointed:
http://www.vm-electronica.com/ultima/ultima_adv_11.jpg
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
body panels here you go lads and yes ash i have got my leg in o nooooo lol
That's looking absolutely brilliant.
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Pat_T
I thought this was very cool when it was posted! Just needs a decent bike motor...
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25968
Neat job. I wonder how much it weighs, though.
[Edited on 14/3/13 by Alez]
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T66
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 01:16 PM |
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Food for thought....
http://www.zanga106.it/
http://www.motonews.pl/forum/?op=fvt&t=121769&c=0&f=25
X19 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIMG7hQ0CE&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=83
Fiat 600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGOvFaPHD0&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=143
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw8mAp3G5b8&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=183
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 01:39 PM |
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tim duffee is stii producing davrian follow on cars for competition ........
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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imp paul
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 02:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alez
quote:
Originally posted by imp paul
body panels here you go lads and yes ash i have got my leg in o nooooo lol
That's looking absolutely brilliant.
cheers mate
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 03:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
Food for thought....
http://www.zanga106.it/
http://www.motonews.pl/forum/?op=fvt&t=121769&c=0&f=25
X19 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIMG7hQ0CE&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=83
Fiat 600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGOvFaPHD0&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=143
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw8mAp3G5b8&list=FL2UOz7BHSoffi6pMMlTq3hQ&index=183
Good stuff.
I had already considered the 106, 600 and X1/9, all of them much heavier than the 500, but I'm sure they are all fine for bike power once
reworked.
Some body elements of the cars on the second link reminded me of the not too subtle MG Metro 6R4 rally car
[Edited on 14/3/13 by Alez]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 03:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AlezSome body elements of the cars on the second link reminded me of the not too subtle MG Metro 6R4 rally car
so does that mean your looking for a good metro shell now ?
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T66
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 04:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by AlezSome body elements of the cars on the second link reminded me of the not too subtle MG Metro 6R4 rally car
so does that mean your looking for a good metro shell now ?
Now a Metro would look very good with wide arches, and theres not many about. Metro gets my vote.....!
some more food...
[Edited on 14/3/13 by T66]
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 08:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
so does that mean your looking for a good metro shell now ?
You guys are terrible.
quote:
Originally posted by T66
some more food...
Good food.
The cars on the last two pics look weird, though. I think there's a limit to the maximum extra track width you can add. The first car is right
on my limit (or slightly past, probably, but maybe some careful styling can fix it). That's me, anyway.
[Edited on 14/3/13 by Alez]
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Alez
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
http://www.tdkracing.com/ The full Grp mini??
Also there's this:
http://www.zen55560.zen.co.uk/UltiMiniIntro.htm
Any good?
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rdodger
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| posted on 14/3/13 at 10:33 PM |
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fiat 595 barchetta fibreglass bodyshell complete opening doors | eBay
One of these!
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Alez
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 10:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
fiat 595 barchetta fibreglass bodyshell complete opening doors | eBay
One of these!
Shame it doesn't have an enclosed interior, because it looks great.
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alowry
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 12:26 PM |
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As a zcars mini owner I feel the need to defend them when reading comments suggesting they handle like badly.
Autocar published an article & youtube video of their test of one a few weeks ago & described it as having 'unforgiving limit
handling' which my be a fairer description of them & other extreme track biased cars. They also commented they suspected it was capable of
posting lap times comparable with a current 911!
They might be hard work to drive close to the limit but to write them off as being s*?!e handling is unfair on a company who have spent years racing
& developing their product to the degree they have!
O.k rant over, i'm off out to work on the car......please god don't let me put it through a hedge after defending it on here!
Adam.
Here's the autocar review:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ABcXh9KtQ
& some great driving by Tim Schrick if you skip through a bit:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT437kWV8Rc
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scootz
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 03:35 PM |
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I just had a quick squiz through that vid, so this may be wrong...
The Z-Cars was on slicks and only managed to beat the production mini by a second!?
It's Evolution Baby!
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alowry
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 04:56 PM |
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Michelin P220's according to the mag' article so wet race tires. They reported the zcar broke down before he could set a quick lap hence
his comment about suspecting it would be comparable to a 911. I'm no fan but that new mini is setting the quickest lap times of the modern hot
hatches so no slouch itself.
I'm only hoping to suggest they don't handle as badly as previous comments might indicate, realistically it's not a car for mixing
it with the Radicals etc but they are raced & hillclimbed successfully.
Adam.
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Alez
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 08:51 PM |
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I would like to comment on my personal understanding of what good handling is, from my admittedly limited track experience and driving skills.
To me, the concept of handling is related to the behaviour of a car while understeering (front slides), oversteering (rear slides) AND drifting (both
front and rear slide), as well as the transitions (no sliding to sliding and back to no sliding).
Handling is therefore not related to reference lap times (a professional driver will overcome bad handling through driving skills), cornering speed,
or even tendency to under/oversteer. For example, early straight six TVRs such as the Tuscan are known to have poor handling (you may remember J.
Clarkson having a laugh about that on the track), but they are fast around corners, simply because, even though they will spin if they go, they
won't go easily.
So, to me, "unforgiving limit handling" equals bad handling regardless of both lap times comparable to a current 911 and race and
hillclimb success.
How much of that may be true for the ZCars Mini, I'm clueless about, Tim Schrick's review suggests its handling is actually alright, and I
suspect bad reviews may come simply from poor tuning, since obviously, a car with fully adjustable suspension geometry needs a good amount of
attention, expertise and time on the track not needed in less sophisticated solutions. I'm just guessing.
Like I said before I'm not at all into racing (otherwise I would look for a proven solution with good race heritage, like say a Fisher Fury for
example), lap times mean nothing to me, but I do want good handling, because the better a car handles, the easier it is to use it as a tool to improve
your driving skills, and to me that's the most important thing for having fun on a track day. On that respect, I have learnt the most from track
days with my MX-5 mk1 under the rain, despite all my kit cars having been MUCH more exciting and informative in terms of feedback to the driver.
Does that make sense at all?
[Edited on 15/3/13 by Alez]
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Dopdog
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 10:20 PM |
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I would like to add my bit to this as well, I have been to the Z Car factory and was taken out by Chris (a few years ago now) and was more than
impressed with the cars ability. In fact we still talk about how well the car handled years later. First class conversion and well done to the man.
only reason i did not get one was it was still a mini!! each to his own but not my cup of tea it was absolutley planted FANTASTIC.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 15/3/13 at 10:40 PM |
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I know of a complete super imp that is looking for a new home.
Hasnt been on the road in 11 years but has been stored in an open sided barn.
I have been offered it for free but with a 1976 mini, 21 year old vespa, kitcar to build & a growing family i cant take it on 
Engine was started last year too.
Let me know if you might be interested, it was offered to someone else until i found out they planned to just sell it straight on! We just want it to
go to a good home & maybe see it back on the road in one way or another.
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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froggy
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| posted on 16/3/13 at 09:36 AM |
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my first mid engined setup in the kitten was a tl1000 v twin running on 10"wheels with 165/70/10 tyres . 460kg 120hp and the most fun to drive
with plenty of slip angle and no snap oversteer .when i went up to 13" with 50 series tyres it lost all the movement and would push on rather
than the rear coming out .
[IMG]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r187/froggy_0[IMG]
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