chrisf
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| posted on 13/12/04 at 08:33 PM |
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In Steve's renderings, the rear bodywork ends a bit high off the ground. If you look, the rear fenders end pretty high on the wheel. To smooth
this out this abrubt ending, a sweeping curved splitter-like covering could sweep from below the gearbox up to the bottom of the lower exhaust. I
think this would give it a bit of a more completed look, as well as retain the edgy, exposed styling Steve did. It would be a nice bit to do in CFRP
and should not cost too much as well.
Just my opinion.
--Chris
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sgraber
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| posted on 13/12/04 at 08:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
Regardless where it goes, keep in mind that exhaust cats get very, very hot.
I know, this does concern me, which is why I had it hanging way at the back of the car before... However, many new cars now use a close coupled cat
sitting right in the middle of the engine bay shoved in with all the other shit... So I think I can figure something out.
Time to reopen the 3D Viz package...
EDIT - And Chris, thanks for pointing that out. I am in the finishing stages of my rear diffuser. I think what I have already built will work really
nicely with the modified rear end. No problems there mate! 
[Edited on 12/13/04 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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macspeedy
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| posted on 13/12/04 at 09:37 PM |
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I'm no expert but this is my 2 pennys worth
 
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derf
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 11:40 AM |
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Top picture has to be the sexiest exaust Ive ever seen.
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Peteff
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 12:02 PM |
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http://www.autocats.com/html/about_frame.htm
Anything like this available to you?. You can get a weld in cat the same diameter as most pipes, it might be worth looking at.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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macspeedy
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| posted on 14/12/04 at 04:00 PM |
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better detail..
a but rough but..
 
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Micke Fredriksson
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| posted on 15/12/04 at 11:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tadltd
How about like this:
Hi!! I´m VERY impressed in this projekt soo far! Really brutal- I mean, YOU HAVE ONE CHOICE= Just do like this picture!!!! 
/ Micke Fredriksson
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sgraber
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| posted on 16/12/04 at 03:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Micke Fredriksson
Hi!! I´m VERY impressed in this projekt soo far! Really brutal- I mean, YOU HAVE ONE CHOICE= Just do like this picture!!!!
YES! But the exhaust routing for an inline 4cyl engine will be sub-optimal. Adding weight, complexity and cost.
I've been trying to draw up how the exhaust would route and there isn't enough room in the right places... With my deDion and Watts link
basically in the way of every idea...
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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tadltd
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| posted on 16/12/04 at 06:27 PM |
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I take the hint, Steve! 
I need to see more detail of the rear end to get an idea how to package the exhaust pipe run and cat - the ECU's in the place where I'd
naturally put the cat (if it can't go under the Watts linkage)...
But I'm sure it could be moved...
[Edited on 16/12/04 by tadltd]
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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sgraber
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| posted on 16/12/04 at 07:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tadltd
I take the hint, Steve!
I need to see more detail of the rear end to get an idea how to package the exhaust pipe run and cat - the ECU's in the place where I'd
naturally put the cat (if it can't go under the Watts linkage)...
But I'm sure it could be moved...
[Edited on 16/12/04 by tadltd]
Your help would be appreciated. You certainly don't HAVE to if you are busy with other things. I won't get around to actually building
a new exhaust system until the molds are pulled and the plug destroyed. In any case if someone wants to help me solve this dilema I am always
grateful!
Edit - i meant to add that there are simply tons of photos on my website. I'll see if I can't round up some links to some helpful ones.
Graber
[Edited on 12/16/04 by sgraber]
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tadltd
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| posted on 16/12/04 at 07:42 PM |
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I had a look round your web-site last night, Steve but couldn't find anything that showed the 'nitty-gritty'!
Mostly you and Alan hooning around your neighbourhood!!
And a few other general shots!
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Ratman
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| posted on 17/12/04 at 12:28 AM |
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Steve.. great to see all this input. I hope you don’t mind us all chucking in our 5c worth.
This, following, is a design concept that I quite like and might have some application with your “hide the exhaust” exercise. I like the concept that
you have a nice basic shape, but you make it brutally obvious where function has to take dominance, and form is temporarily suspended. Examples are
the supercharger sticking out through a hole in the hood of a car, the engine cover on a VW set proud of the rest of the body to aid engine cooling
and clear the carb trumpets. The air intake on my car below (not a great picture) is a bit like this, the original body work could not accommodate it
so I sort of just pushed it into the body and made a feature of it. These are bold statements that we can make as one-off constructors that thumb the
nose at production car companies whose accountants insist the car appeals to the lowest common denominator of the buying public.
For your exhaust, I was wondering if you could just make the body shape you want, and include flared cut-outs wherever the exhaust system extends
beyond the normal finish-line. It is a very hansom bit of plumbing and seeing it half exposed like this would be very appealing. Also, the pipe
materials don’t need protection from the elements. If you need to protect the hot surfaces for the safety of bystanders, then you can clamp small
minimum size screens made of, say, SS rod over each hot bit. This could be really eye catching, and gives a nice transition from an ultra-clean front
end to an all-meat-and-no-potatoes rear. Which is dead right for a midi.
Cheers, Brian
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sgraber
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| posted on 27/12/04 at 08:27 PM |
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Hey all, I took your advice to heart and really tore into the car over the holidays. Followed Steve Turners advice and gave the car a Butt-Lift.
Also a tummy-tuck...
... and I know what I am doing with the exhaust!
Check out my progress here:
http://www.grabercars.com/Mambosite/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=42
This photo's a little rough, but general plan is rolling.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Micke Fredriksson
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| posted on 27/12/04 at 09:17 PM |
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WOW!! MUCH BETTER can I tell!! I´m following the progress gladly!!
/ Micke Fredriksson
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Rorty
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 03:45 AM |
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Steve, I'm full of admiration for your quest for perfection and the results. You know you'll never be finished though, don't you?
It's subtle, but looks much better than before.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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sgraber
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 04:33 AM |
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Thanks guys. Tell you what, designing and building the bodywork is much more difficult than building the chassis! Not technically, but aesthetically
very, VERY difficult to make it like I want it.
At some point it will be finished. I know that some day soon I will walk out into the garage and look at the car and feel the same feeling that I got
when I looked at my Ferrari 250GTO replica. It's a wierd thing to say, but sometimes I used to just stare at the way the shape of that car went
from one area to another. Especially the hood lines. I don't think that there has been another car that does it quite the same for me.
Like this view of the hood...
Did you ever see that 62 Ferrari Replica that I built? Ferrari 250GTO Spyder
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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violentblue
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 08:21 PM |
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wow that was your car, I remember reading that article.
a few pics of my other projects
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sgraber
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 09:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by violentblue
wow that was your car, I remember reading that article.
That was mine. Finished in Sept. 1999. That car was so beautiful. It was really something special.
You can read more about it here on my old site. (no longer maintained)
http://www.newtier.com/graber/z-car/
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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violentblue
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| posted on 30/12/04 at 05:08 AM |
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I remember reading that article in the original publication, made me want to do one. that was/is one sweet car with some very nice detail work.
a few pics of my other projects
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sgraber
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 03:19 PM |
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It's all Steve Turners fault!
 
Turners Fault - Rear End
A few lines need straightening and such, but the butt-lift is basically finished. I think it looks great.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Sven
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 07:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
A few lines need straightening and such, but the butt-lift is basically finished. I think it looks great.
I think it looks great, it ties the upper and lower portions together very neatly. Nice!
-Steve
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krlthms
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| posted on 4/1/05 at 03:21 AM |
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Very nice Steve.
Will you be fitting some sort of diffuser at the back?
Have you sorted out the routing for the exhaust. Could you route it so it exits on the side ahead of the rear wheels?
Cheers
KT
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Alan B
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| posted on 4/1/05 at 02:21 PM |
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Hmmmm...it looks like I could cut out a lower opening out of mine too......
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sgraber
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| posted on 4/1/05 at 03:00 PM |
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^ Yes, yes you could! Is it something you are considering? Or are you teasing me? 
How will you be routing your exhaust?
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Alan B
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| posted on 4/1/05 at 03:14 PM |
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Yes the plan was always to cut out most of it....the vertical ribs I'll be leaving in though..I need them for mounting the hinges.
Exhaust..?....no idea.......waiting to see what you do......
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