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It sounds like you have the right mindset to make the project work, so just finish the car and work out all the bugs first!
James
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Gakes
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 10:27 AM | |
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I have been following many of the threads for a long time, some spectacular builds!!! but there are things that most haven't thought of as I
did, e.g. Safety in collisions,pedestrian safety, specific types of materials that aid passengers and pedestrians in safety. I do not like it when
some make judgments without any knowledge of the things they comment on. Maybe it is my fault for not mentioning, of these points picked up,I am a man
of few words, I only answer if questioned, and for that I apologize ladies and gentlemen.
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Gakes]
 
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cloudy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:03 AM | |
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Hang on hang on, you are telling me most of the mid engine builders here haven't thought of things such as passenger safety or material
types?
And then go on to accuse those who have raised concerns about your suspension design to be "without any knowledge" ?
I'm sorry, that's really wound me up - you've just completely lost my respect.
www.warnercars.com
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Gakes
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:31 PM | |
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relax dude, I meant they have no background of me. Do u c wot i meant with ppl not knowing about the products or builder's intensions, hardly
anyone mentions the amount safety their car can provide. I only know of a few that mentions it, and can see in a few designs.
Dont make this wot its not. I did apologize and I said that ppl comment "without any knowledge" of me and my intentions.
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:41 PM | |
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Okay, you need to stop posting and start putting miles on the car, both on the street and on-track. Nothing will prove what you have better than
10,000 miles of hard driving.
You must drop the I-know-better attitude as it really rubs people the wrong way, especially with the car in the condition that it is. Even the
"fixed" A-arm have issues; why is the shock still located half way along the lower arm? Have you done the math to confirm they're of
sufficient strength, both in bending and compression?
My impression is that you've done okay for a first try, something of a mule to try out design ideas on, but NOT to sell, it's too
half-baked. My advice is to stop pushing it because it's damaging your reputation. Better to start doing a LOT of reading and then revisit the
design. 12 deg of camber?! That alone speaks volumes.
There have been other cars on here where the designer ignored critical analysis and ended up crashing the car. That's bad enough for a one-off
that's only a threat to you, but pushing them for sale way early in the design cycle is really asking for trouble. Consider what happens if
something breaks for a builder. What reputation you have will quickly go to zero. You really only have one shot at this, so don't put yourself
before the cart, so to speak.
[Edited on 3/9/09 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Gakes
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:59 PM | |
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Lets close this thread, and move on. Sorry guys
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| posted on 10/3/09 at 12:06 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by Gakes
I meant they have no background of me.
hardly anyone mentions the amount safety their car can provide. .
"without any knowledge" of me and my intentions.
Thats correct but its only words on a computer and personally I can only base a Guys word on what I can physically see he has done, not on any piece
of paper because in this game thats worth nothing, zero, zilch. The best race car builder I know left school at 13 and can barely read and write.
This is pretty much a basic build forum here but if you went here ...
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105210
... you will find that I have discussed crumple zone materials with people who have the knowlege, I discuss other key points of my build with other
appropriate people/forums. - my point is that this is just 1 forum and you shouldn't judge all from that.
FWIW I haven't mentioned the price, hell $350 is a bargain if it's a good set of easy to follow plans, the enormous amount of time and
material saved is well worth it, the others are just cheaper, maybe stupidly so but it's what your up against. My close mate Paul Watson who
previously owned Rhino Buggies was selling his plans for $95 Oz and was selling truckloads, so much so that I told him to raise his price.
I like your new A-arms, presuming they are X braced underneath the plate, good luck with it.
It's coming....
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Gakes xO400
Hi guys,
I tried to post pictures to Locost, without success. Gakes has built an xO400 for me that's on its way to the U.S. now. the "400"
stands for 400kg, which is the estimated weight when using a Hayabusa motor.
Gakes has one trait that I admire in a designer--the ability to listen and constructively work with a design idea. I asked if he could not only
incorporate a 'Busa motor into his design, but if he could rotate it longitudinally and hook up a standard differential and IRS. He complied by
installing a Sierra 7" differential that also includes a cush drive and a large gear. The gear allows for the use of an electric reverse.
I've posted a few pictures here:
http://www.exocars.net/showthread.php?t=4302&page=2
You can also see a CAD picture of his frame in the thread that includes the 'Busa motor located longitudinally.
Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong and I'll post more pictures on Locost.
[Edited on 4/12/09 by cordycord]
[Edited on 4/12/09 by cordycord]
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aitch
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| posted on 7/12/09 at 10:59 PM | |
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ive had a look at the web site
so little information its untrue
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links that dont work or dont exist
aitch
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| posted on 8/12/09 at 05:59 AM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by Gakes
Lets close this thread, and move on. Sorry guys
PLEEEEEEEEEAAASSSSSSEEEE!!!!!
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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Some basic engineering principles that Mr.Gakes needs to know.
The most obvious at this point is not to put welds in the middle of wishbone tubes, if those previous pics are of the latest incarnation.
The rest of the build looks fairly agricultural, and very poorly thought out, if thought at all.
Gakes, are you an engineer? Have you had a Professional Engineer look at the plans and car?
By selling plans, you are saying that the design is safe and Fit for Purpose. You better get good insurance, and that will only come when a
professional 'signs off' the design and drawings.
Good Luck! You surely need it.
This thing looks like a billycart compared to AlanB's effort. Sorry.
Cheers,
Nev.
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| posted on 8/12/09 at 02:22 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
Some basic engineering principles that Mr.Gakes needs to know.
The most obvious at this point is not to put welds in the middle of wishbone tubes, if those previous pics are of the latest incarnation.
The rest of the build looks fairly agricultural, and very poorly thought out, if thought at all.
Gakes, are you an engineer? Have you had a Professional Engineer look at the plans and car?
By selling plans, you are saying that the design is safe and Fit for Purpose. You better get good insurance, and that will only come when a
professional 'signs off' the design and drawings.
Good Luck! You surely need it.
This thing looks like a billycart compared to AlanB's effort. Sorry.
Cheers,
Nev.
i think he's actually now selling chassis maybe even completed cars? seems like a minefield to me id want a lawyer, effectively a production
car? i think the kit car manufacturers get around a lot of legislation because you becpme liable whe you build it yourself / iva or sva im not sure
how this works, although would imagine if theres a design fault liability would still fall on the designer especially if some of the components
supplied, wishbones or whatever are supplied by them??
aitch
[Edited on 8/12/09 by aitch]
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Gakes
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| posted on 8/12/09 at 06:00 PM | |
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Just want to know why so many have so much to say when they havent even seen or tried my products.
I do accept criticism not word vomit. No offence guys and GIRLS, but the proof is in the pudding.
How can anyone risk losing clients or even lives??? The first car was a "PROTOTYPE" (something to test theory and ideas). If some of you
dont know what that means, try Google!
Obviously the product has evolved and developed exponentially if it is going to be sold. I will never want to burden myself with mortalities on my
conscious. I would never be able to live with myself.
I have taken this year to develop xO products and test them till they gave in. I ran an engineering company in Cape Town and produced high
quality products for the food industry and Bio Labs. I've designed the best motorhomes that are sold in South Africa and many other products. I
do not want to mention my qualifications as well, it may seem as if I'm bragging.
I dont like having to mention these, but if my finished products are to be questioned then I have to defend myself. I'm an honest guy and speak
very few words, but I will accept a challenge.
BTW, I've stopped selling plans a few months ago if nobody has noticed!
[Edited on 8/12/09 by Gakes]
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| posted on 9/12/09 at 01:12 PM | |
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If you are so well qualified, well experienced, and have designed and built such fantastic creations otherwise; then answer us this:
Why are we looking at something that so obviously lacks knowledgeable automotive and basic structural engineering input,...still?
As for conscience; many a fatality has occurred due to blissful ignorance, and many more from misplaced arrogant confidence.
Something in this just doesn't add up, doesn't make sense, if you are supposed to be so well educated and experienced as you suggest.
Cheers,
Nev.
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| posted on 9/12/09 at 02:43 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by Gakes
Just want to know why so many have so much to say when they havent even seen or tried my products.
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It may well be a case of too much honesty. I worry about every picture I show for what that picture will show, especially on a prototype which some
just don't understand what that means, as you allude to.
If you have thick skin of which you seem to then post clear close ups that show all the pimples and be open to learning/critism. If you don't
have thick skin then be careful of what you display.
I believe your Aarms are up for scrutiny, if there is any welding apart obviously from the end pieces, I think you have an onus to prove that it
isn't an issue. I am a certified Australian Roadworthy Inspector and if you fronted a vehicle to me with welding mid arms I would ask for your
Engineers Certification to take the onus off of me or I would knock you back.
In your favour you have a running drivable car of your own design, not many can stand proud and say that but you need to get past this Aarm issue,
it's hurting you IMHO.
And I am trying to help.
It's coming....
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Cheapracer
quote:
It may well be a case of too much honesty. I worry about every picture I show for what that picture will show, especially on a prototype which some
just don't understand what that means, as you allude to. If you have thick skin of which you seem to then post clear close ups that show all the
pimples and be open to learning/critism. If you don't have thick skin then be careful of what you display. I believe your Aarms are up for
scrutiny, if there is any welding apart obviously from the end pieces, I think you have an onus to prove that it isn't an issue. I am a
certified Australian Roadworthy Inspector and if you fronted a vehicle to me with welding mid arms I would ask for your Engineers Certification to
take the onus off of me or I would knock you back.
So true Cheapracer. This clearly shows I have nothing to hide. Who else will post all the flaws and development I ask?
The lower A-arms have already been changed in March or Feb this year.
Nev
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Something in this just doesn't add up, doesn't make sense,
Follow the threads and check my site b4 you comment. Honestly, who has the patience to repeat whats already shown.
Cheers
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| posted on 9/12/09 at 04:38 PM | |
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Gakes you have an awsome looking car  good to see your development as answering the criticisms put forward.....
The busa engine build is also looking awsome ill probably be going BEC probably busa and mid engined, i will post everthing im doing from design
consepts through design process and then the build, im far less knowledgeable than you to start off with so i will need the criticism to correct
errors as i desig and build..
would be good to see more of the end result of your design and development
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So, is that picture above an image of the CURRENT front lower 'A arms'?
If you have a better and more current design, then please show it. If not, those lower wishbones are 'an accident waiting to happen', and
all I've already said stands.
What would Cheapracer say about those arms in the pic above?
Cheers,
Nev.
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| posted on 9/12/09 at 08:19 PM | |
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Neville,
Those are his old pictures. I recommend you follow Gakes advice and look at his new website. It's possible that the old site loads
automatically in your computer--you may need to reload in order to get the new pictures and information.
quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
So, is that picture above an image of the CURRENT front lower 'A arms'?
If you have a better and more current design, then please show it. If not, those lower wishbones are 'an accident waiting to happen', and
all I've already said stands.
What would Cheapracer say about those arms in the pic above?
Cheers,
Nev.
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Maybe a link to the current website could be put here, to help everyone.
The only site I get to from the first post on this thread, still shows dodgy 'engineering', if it can be called that.
Cheers,
Nev.
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quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
Maybe a link to the current website could be put here, to help everyone.
The only site I get to from the first post on this thread, still shows dodgy 'engineering', if it can be called that.
Cheers,
Nev.
whats the url for his new website??
thanks
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I have taken your advice, looked at the website, studied the images.
Hayabusa, best stick with a CG125 until the development work is done.
As for qualifications, all I can see so far is a C&G in bullshit
[Edited on 9/12/09 by Mark Allanson]
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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| posted on 9/12/09 at 09:29 PM | |
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until powdercoat can improve structural integrity, i wont be stealing any of gakes' ideas 
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Gakes
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| posted on 10/12/09 at 07:39 AM | |
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Thanks for the comments guys, both good and bad.
The "xO" cars parts are of great quality and have been well thought out. Some pics you see are just from my first prototype that
I've tried. The car was tested and a few flaws turned up The suspension was redesigned, then redesigned again. All the progress from the
initial designs were documented and used to make improvements. The new designs worked well and all info gained from testing was used to update the
whole design. I do admit, my way of thinking is unconventional, but we all have our own styles
What I can tell you, is that the handling amazed me!!! I drive formula Vee and formula ford cars often and they cant compare to the amount of frontal
grip the xO has. I was truly shocked to see the difference.
We are all trying to create a low cost performance community we can all enjoy. I dont even know if anyone here has been a top engineer or designer for
large automotive companies. Wot I do know is that that forums like these are our institutions and nobody can say they dont learn from LOCOSTBUILDERS
and they come with a complete car design and building knowledge, all I do know is that we are all striving.
Even if the knowledge does not come from this site, it gives us an idea of where to start looking.
I truly appreciate the criticism, keeps you on your toes
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| posted on 10/12/09 at 07:47 AM | |
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website
www.xosportscars.com
How 'bout posting some of your stuff Neville?
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