JackNco
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 03:17 PM |
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Locks, Ignitions, anything along those lines
Hey all
Ive mentioned i pick locks before and decided today after getting some new picks i fancy having a crack at some car doors/ignitions.
and seeing as im sure most of you guys have scraped at least one car as a donor if you happen to have the locks or ignitions kicking about that are
just going to be thrown away ide greatly appreciate them and be happy to pay postage and a couple of quid extra for your trouble.
And on that note im always after a challenge so any padlocks or other uve lost keys to same goes for them.
Its amazing really that there is a market out there for locks you cant use.... but its there.
also if anyones managed to lock something up they shouldn't have......... cant think what it might be that ude be posting but always up for a
challenge
Thanx in advance
John
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 03:44 PM |
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You probably know this anyhow but you need jigglers to get into car locks don't you cos of the keys having cut outs on each side. Just a
thought.
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JackNco
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 03:54 PM |
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U can use a jiggler but theres no real skill involved in that... just jiggle it till it opens. the Cut outs on both sides make it harder, but most
old fords apparently used waffer not pin tumbler locks so that makes it easy. a guy i know used to be able to open and start his mini with the key
from the tiny lock on his suitcase!
As i say im just after a new challenge and if the thing are going to the scrappy anyway.
http://www.locksmith-tools.co.uk/acatalog/Jigglers.html
Theres some jigglers there but i know alot of ppl use normal pics. Ive seen an empty toilet roll or a biro used to open the kind of lock used on
steering locks. just finding ways of doing it i enjoy.
John
[Edited on 9/11/06 by JackNco]
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 04:34 PM |
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quote:
old fords apparently used waffer not pin tumbler locks
Thats what I was trying to think of. Wasn't aware that you could use standard picks. Hmm, intrigued now.
Ta
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JackNco
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 04:36 PM |
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thats what i guess im gonna find out. ive got a 4 waffer lock here, only single sided. was the first pick i did and its VERY easy to do.
Ill let u know how i get on if i get hold of a set to try it on. Old fords have a very bad reputation for it.
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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jamesg20
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 05:58 PM |
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I guess my question is why would you want to pick car door locks?
Having had a car stolen by some scum picking the door lock, it's pretty angering to find people sharing information on how to effectively steel
my car.
Now i'm not saying you are going to steel my car, but i don't think information should be made available to people that potentially are.
I'm just trying to understand why you would want to break something open that was put there to keep you out, for any other reason than to get at
whats inside?
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JackNco
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 09:25 PM |
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I can see your point "jamesg20", and people seem to either fall in to one of 2 sets of people. the big kids (generaly all lads) that go
*oh like in movies* and are interested or the people that are scared by this knowledge being public.
Thing is unfortunately for everyone. there are much easier ways to gain access to a house or a car that picking. i pick as a challenge, finding a
weakness or way round the lock. I guess you could compare it to a puzzle, maybe like a rubix cube.
I asked on here as most donors are old sierras. potentially easy locks to start on. If i wanted to run around stealing sierras, firstly ide need my
head examining. secondly i could buy a slim Jim cheaper than a decent pick set. and get in to cars MUCH quicker without touching the lock.
Personally i think making information like this public is a good way forward. If people know about a problem they can avoid it. if the information
is only known to professionals and criminals that have got hold of the information its much more dangerous.
As for angering you, that is not my intention. but there are several organizations in Germany, Scandinavia and America that are set up for just
making this information public.
You could compare it to computer security. (well i do) 5/6 years ago unless you were involved in computers the words, "worm", 'Fire
wall", "virus" and "Trojan horse" wouldn't have meant much to you. but now because of all the media hype home
computers are safer as everyone knows to use a firewall and a virus scanner.
Just my opinion. and i can see why some one on a forum you have never met might not be the best person to deal with in these issues. But as i say
for stealing anything picking is never really used except in the movies.
John
[Edited on 9/11/06 by JackNco]
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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JackNco
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 09:32 PM |
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BTW sorry 2 hear about your car. hope u got hold of the little scrote and broke the little bastards hands.
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 10:26 PM |
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quote:
I guess my question is why would you want to pick car door locks?
quote:
Having had a car stolen by some scum picking the door lock, it's pretty angering to find people sharing information on how to effectively steel
my car
With the most respect. I think you're being a little narrow minded here. Reminds of the woman journalist talking to the American Marine. She was
asking about boot camp and he told her that they do drill, fitness, shooting etc. She was shocked and accused him of teaching kids to kill because
they were using guns. His answer was'ma'am you are a woman and therefore have a vagina, but that doesn't make you wanna be a
prostitute does it?' In the same way that I can untie shoe laces, it doesn't make me wanna rob you of your shoes, then I can pick locks
but it don't make me wanna nick you're car. You're not the forst person to respond like this and I'm not having a pop, just
trying to explain by using a similar analogy.
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robinj66
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| posted on 9/11/06 at 10:54 PM |
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A friend from school used to be able to enter and start his Mk I Escort with his yale front door key
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Peteff
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 12:34 AM |
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I find if you knock a screwdriver into most old fords they come undone quite easily 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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JackNco
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 12:40 AM |
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mistergrumpy that is a very cool answer ill have to remember that one!
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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JackNco
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 12:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
I find if you knock a screwdriver into most old fords they come undone quite easily
you can drill them out but the idea is to open it without any damage. some are worse than others from what ive herd.
5 Wafer single sided
6 Wafer single sided (Apparently although im yet to see one)
10 Wafer Double Sided
Pin Tumblers in Very old cars (Apparently)
Also wouldn't mind having a go at a laser cut key system but i don't have 100s for keys or thousands for a car with laser cut keys
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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JackNco
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 12:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
A friend from school used to be able to enter and start his Mk I Escort with his yale front door key
Doesn't really surprise me. the wafers are spaced roughly the same as the pins in a yale. and running it forwards and backwards while turning
would lock the wafers in place and then the lock opens
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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Aboardman
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 07:33 AM |
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i assume if you got stopped by the police whilst carrying the tools shown on that web site you will be in trouble,
whilst it may not be illegal to carry them you will have a hard time to explain why you have them.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 12:14 PM |
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This is probably true yes. But I very rarely carry mine around with me, like Jack says, I just have a few old locks in the house.
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JackNco
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| posted on 10/11/06 at 02:58 PM |
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This is true. but i doubt most would know what they are in the first place.
I have only ever had them out with me once and thats because some one needed a door opening. and i was getting a taxi to there house and a lift back
anyway. and i have never been searched by the police....
On the other hand there is a bump key on my keys that i probably WOULD have a hard time explaining. but most locksmiths ive chatted (only about 4 i
admit ) to dont know what it is.
I have NO criminal record an have never even been in trouble or cautioned for anything so i think ide be ok.
John
Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong. I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun.
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador)
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