froggy
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 06:15 PM |
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what spring rates do z-cars use?
my bike engined reliant is a bit lighter than the mini and ive got the protech coilovers from mk with 350 front and 180 rear but if i use the same
rates as z-cars do in the mini i shouldnt be far out
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 06:36 PM |
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Unless all your suspension pickups and wishbone lengths etc are the same as the Z Cars Mini, then there's little point in comparing
unfortunately, as you can't just consider the weight of the car when speccing spring rates. As an example, a friend of mine has a track car that
weighs about the same as my BEC Locost but because of the suspension design it runs ~600lb springs on the front compared to mine which are less than
half that.
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froggy
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 07:54 PM |
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my front wishbones are within an inch of the length of the mini front lower and upper arms and the coilover sits at the same angle as the coilover
conversion i have seen on mini,s and the rear coilovers on mine are nearly vertical as per the design on the trailing arms used on z-cars hence the
question.
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ned
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 08:05 PM |
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you need to work out the effective wheel weight the shock is working with/against if you want a direct comparison by calculating the angles and
lengths of the wishbone geometry. Otherwise as said the length and angles could make the zcars spring rates pretty useless or unreliable imho.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 09:02 PM |
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Yep I agree with Ned, unless all the dimensions are pretty much identical it could still be a fair old way out. As another example, on my car I moved
the front chassis damper mount from under the chassis rail to the outside face of the chassis rail, and that single change of ~1" meant I needed
25lb difference in spring from what I was running before.
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froggy
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 09:48 PM |
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so im still no wiser then i know chris has done a conversion kit for a guy with a kitten saloon using a blackbird engine il find out if they use the
same springs on that too, cheers anyway
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phelpsa
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| posted on 11/8/06 at 10:35 PM |
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The mini is mid engined aswell, is your kitten going to be mid engined? If not, then it'll be all wrong.
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froggy
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| posted on 12/8/06 at 06:11 AM |
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its a rip off of how z- cars do it , with all the parts in the same place
 
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