tadltd
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 10:54 PM |
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At long, long, long last... new, locost middie concept...
This is based on one of the designs I did for the poll, held back in September/October - I think it was design B - there were a few requests to
convert it to a 'middie'...
Thoughts?
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 11:31 PM |
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Pray tell me oh wise one what your thoughts are with regard to powerplant and gearbox if I dare ask
Shug
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tadltd
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 11:35 PM |
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Whatever FWD/mid-engine arrangement you want... Such as Mr. Graber's MR2 set-up, or something along the lines of a Honda 2.0l VTEC....
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/12/04 at 11:56 PM |
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Oh my dear god - very aggressive, very masculine, very 'I want one' 
marvellous - well done that man!
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 12:03 AM |
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Ah VTEC now u got me sniffing, you can bleed my ears with yer cunning plan on the morrow, I might even be willing to help you with yer sexy curves if
u tell me your in the process of completing the chassis drawings, and can supply the buck dimensions prior to 2006 ( I know yer busy)
I suspect a delivery of material for the plug could be in order if u get yer finger oot. All interested parties please post bids to Turner Auto
design ASAP please.
Shug.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 12:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hugh Paterson
Pray tell me oh wise one what your thoughts are with regard to powerplant and gearbox if I dare ask
Shug
Beemer or VTEC Vtec looks yummy link atom
[Edited on 29-12-04 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 12:29 AM |
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That door line is so low that the front end and the rear end could compete in different track days on the same day
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 12:33 AM |
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Not at all Pat I need the chassis to jig the buck for the "alternative panels" so the engine and gearbox I got lying around are going in
it anyway. Might move onto summit else then so to speak. Wait and see if anyone interested however. The Body is not too expensive to build though,
could quite easily remain in the realms of locost territory if anyone wants an alternative to the Sevensque chassis package Which is why I suspect
Steve is trying to Gauge reaction from the masses that lurk in ere.
Shug.
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sgraber
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 04:13 AM |
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Smart, very, very smart.
Mr Turner, you have a very sharp pen. 
Starting to like the orange creamsicle are we?! LOL
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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tadltd
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 08:46 AM |
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LOL - yeah, I was also thinking of doing it like an Oreo!
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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bob
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 09:39 AM |
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expected prices ? 
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tadltd
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 09:53 AM |
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Not 100% sure, but I don't think it would cost more than £6000 fully built to a very high spec'. Maybe £3000 if you did it ultra
cheap...
Like most of these things, it depends on how much money, time, and determination you have!
I'm going to work out some prices on the chassis and body, then look at suitable donors to get a more realistic figure. A one-donor car would
obviously be the most cost effective route...
Suggestions would be welcome, but try to include cars that our friends on the other side of the pond (and indeed the world!) can get access to. This
would normally mean a Japanese or German car.
[Edited on 29/12/04 by tadltd]
[Edited on 29/12/04 by tadltd]
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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bob
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 10:07 AM |
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Steve
If you can keep the price down that low your onto a winner
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Hellfire
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 11:40 AM |
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A certain winner - £6K...
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Mr_Flibble
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 04:04 PM |
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Okay I have just joined the site so my opinions probably don't really matter but if you could design it to be able to use the parts from say a
honda (I'm kindof thinking the b16a engine myself (which is the same size as the the b18 which also means you could cram with a shoehorn the
engine out of the type R)). It would give people a fair few options for donour cars including certain rovers.
ps when's it going to be ready for purchase ?
I like it.
forgot to mention a donour car mk2 crx which would include certain civics and the mk3 crx which also includes all the stuff about engines posted
above
[Edited on 29/12/04 by Mr_Flibble]
[Edited on 29/12/04 by Mr_Flibble]
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Guinness
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 04:37 PM |
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Very nice design. If you are looking for a FWD donor why not the Golf? Good range of engines and widely available?
High powered GTI engines, with lots of tuning parts available, but without the weight of the VW body should compete with the Atom. Could even use the
VR6 or G60 versions?
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kb58
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| posted on 29/12/04 at 04:44 PM |
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As a donor I suggest the Mazda Miata. Everything is fairly lightweight already and there are tons of them around (cheap.) The only trick would be
adapting the output shafts of the choosen FWD drivetrain to the rear Miata uprights. Not impossible but will require some sort of adaptor.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 12:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
As a donor I suggest the Mazda Miata. Everything is fairly lightweight already and there are tons of them around (cheap.) The only trick would be
adapting the output shafts of the choosen FWD drivetrain to the rear Miata uprights. Not impossible but will require some sort of adaptor.
Might be cheap in the States but here the want top dollar for even the oldest wrecks......welcome to ripoff britian.
See examples
1993 MX-5 1598cc 2 door white 38000 £3995
1991 MX-5 1598cc 2 door blue 100000 £3995
1993 MX-5 CONVERTIBLE Montana 1839cc 2 door black 62000 £4000
1997 MX-5 Dakar Ltd Edn 1839cc 2 door met blue 100000 £4299
1991 MX-5 V-Special Green 56710 £4495
1992 MX-5 Roadster Black 73562 £4995
1991 MX-5 1597cc 2 door Red 54000 £4999
1992 MX-5 1597cc 2 door Silver 71266 £4999
1993 MX-5 V-Special Green 68125 £5395
1993 MX-5 S-Limited Black 86875 £5595
1997 MX-5 1839cc 2 door metalic black 43000 £5975
1996 MX-5 1839cc 2 door Red 48000 £5995
1995 MX-5 R-Limited Blue 81250 £5995
1994 MX-5 J-Limited Yellow 56875 £6295
1998 MX-5 1839cc 2 door Silver 27821 £6495
1997 MX-5 B2-Limited Blue 75625 £6595
As Shug said BMW is really common as they have umteen gazillon models. That means those fashion victims change their cars with very little wrong with
them . The hippy is another front runner in this respect.
A Pinetown based freind of mine used a Bmw motor 15 years ago in his seven and it was very fast and bullit proof.
[Edited on 3-1-05 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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kb58
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 02:52 AM |
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I don't doubt that BMWs are cheap, but I suspect everything on them is going to be very, very, heavy. You must have common older cars that are
much lighter...
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Mave
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 02:52 PM |
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No offense, but why on earth would you consider a front-engined RWD donor as a donor for a middie?? The world is full of FWD donors which are far more
suitable, complete with magnificent gearboxes, etc.etc.
If you take a BMW or MX-5 as a donor, you'll get yourself into troubles finding and fitting a gearbox.
I'd rather see a 1.8T Audi engine with a six-speed 'box. Or some Honda V-Tec engine.
Or am I missing something?
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kb58
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 03:27 PM |
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I meant for all other parts besides the drivetrain.
Have you seen Honda suspension uprights? How are you going to install two-foot tall uprights in a Super-7 type car? Honda steering racks are power
assist, is your midi going to have power steering?
If you want to use only existing, cheap, easily available mid-engine production car parts, that limits you to... what, a Toyota MR-2? You'll
still have the same problems above.
[Edited on 1/3/05 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Mave
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 05:26 PM |
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Ah, now I understand why you mentioned the MX-5. Point taken.
But still; is a fabricated upright too expensive to fit in the lowcost concept? At least the suspension-design could be tailored to the car's
needs, right?
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kb58
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 06:25 PM |
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I'm assuming since building the car is supposed to be "low cost" then we shouldn't assume everyone has a lathe. Sure they can
pay someone to make the uprights, but that moves away from the low cost nature of the project. I feel by using Miata uprights it provides a
relatively cheap, easily available part that fits the application.
There's still the issue of the rear upright having to fit a Honda wheelbearing and CV, which seems unlikely it'll "just work."
The trick would be to use the outboard Miata CV and the inboard Honda bits so the Miata upright could be used as-is.
Unfortunately I see the Miata isn't cheap everywhere so the problem becomes more interesting, trying to find a donor available worldwide.
[Edited on 1/3/05 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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kb58
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 08:34 PM |
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A recent California law says if you build a car, you have a choice of smogging it per the year of the engine or as what the car appears to be.
An advantage to making this mid-engine midi look very Super-7 like is that I could pass it off as a mid-60s 7, yet use a recent Honda drivetrain.
This could be a viable alternative to the very nice but very expensive Arial Atom. Even if I could afford one, there's no way it could get
through emissions here.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 3/1/05 at 08:58 PM |
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Steve is plodding along with sketches and proposals for the new design, the aim is to keep it cheap and cost effective hence the trawl for suitable
engine/gearbox packages, that can be sourced internationally at reasonable expense. In this guise the BMW drivetrain is not a goer ( Although it is in
summit else) Im working on with Hippy. The upright at the at the arse end of the car is not a huge problem, we have the option of a mod to Steves
existing upright design, but a cheap Hi quality Steel fabricated one is not out of the question either. Especially
maintaining the Locost theme. Now if I can find a cheap V-Tec donor or somthing similar it would give us somthing to "play with" but all
other options would be considered so keep the ideas coming boys. Lets face it theres enough clever people on here that might want a hand in somthing a
bit more modern looking than a 50 year old design
Shug.
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