Jon Ison
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 06:36 PM |
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The Co Pilot did it?
Can't believe what I'm hearing.
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Nickp
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 06:43 PM |
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Shocking!! When they we're going through the scenario yesterday I thought straight away that it had been done on purpose by one of the pilots,
there didn't seem any other explanation 
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sdh2903
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 06:49 PM |
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Certainly seems like there's no other logical explanation
looks as tho the guy had some issues in the past, stopped training half way through then resumed a while later, alleged depression, this was his first
pilot position and had only amassed 600 hours in 2 years (v low compared to many pilots who are usually pushed to the 900/yr limit.)
Very sad allround.
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philw
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 06:54 PM |
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I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but
what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
Must try harder
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:04 PM |
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Any normal co-pilot would have screamed for help if the system appeared to have been hacked - he/she certainly wouldn't have locked the chief
pilot out of the cockpit...
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sdh2903
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by philw
I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but
what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
Highly unlikely/impossible on this breed of aircraft. A320 family is late 70's early 80's tech. Unless someone has hard wired into the
aircraft with a laptop without no one noticing.
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philw
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Any normal co-pilot would have screamed for help if the system appeared to have been hacked - he/she certainly wouldn't have locked the chief
pilot out of the cockpit...
I know , I was just chucking it out there, I do find it strange though 3 have gone down within a year, my sympathy's go out to the families
[Edited on 26/3/2015 by philw]
Must try harder
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philw
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
quote:
Originally posted by philw
I think this is one for the conspiracy theorists, is this the second or third now that has been a suicidal pilot, they can tell us want they want, but
what if some one has been able to hack into the flight systems, that they wouldn't tell you
Highly unlikely/impossible on this breed of aircraft. A320 family is late 70's early 80's tech. Unless someone has hard wired into the
aircraft with a laptop without no one noticing.
The air frame is, but don't they upgrade the electronics to the latest state of the art?
Must try harder
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sdh2903
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:24 PM |
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Still principally the same, yes software/hardware has been upgraded but still not a million miles from the original or the aicraft's
certification would be affected.
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splitrivet
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:33 PM |
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What a tw@t, depression or no to take 150 innocent people with you.
Cheers,
Bob
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philw
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:33 PM |
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It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
Must try harder
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sdh2903
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by philw
It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
Yes but the level of maintenance counteracts the age, these things are scrupulously maintained particularly as the frames get older. The crashed
aircraft was 24 years old, in that time I would suspect that, major structure aside, very little hasn't been replaced.
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02GF74
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 07:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by splitrivet
What a tw@t, depression or no to take 150 innocent people with you.
Cheers,
Bob
“Usually, when someone commits suicide, he is alone,” said Spohr, the Lufthansa CEO. “When someone takes another 149 to their deaths, suicide is not
the right word."
Tragic event.
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 08:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by philw
It always raises my eyebrow, just how old some of these planes are, I know they cost a fortune and money needs to be recouped
Used to work in the industry - every component has a life in flight hours/cycles, and is changed before that is reached. All planes go in for
maintenance regularly, from a light go over to heavy strip down and rebuild. On that side of things I have no quibble on the age of a plane - provided
it is being run by a reputable European company.
My thoughts out to the relatives - even of the co-pilot, as they are going to get harrassed to hell now. Not to mention the poor sods of
passengers...
Turns out this company don't operate the "two man" rule in the cockpit, I see that getting rolled out in legislation now.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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Texan
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 08:32 PM |
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I'd be surprised if it was "just" depression.
I'm betting they will find evidence of some sort of political agenda, but then again he might has just discovered that his wife's lover
was a passenger.
I drive therefore I am.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 09:05 PM |
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Ever since it was introduced, I always felt that the "NO entry possible from the outside of the cockpit door" was a minefield, just
waiting to go bang, as a knee-jerk reaction to September 11th. It is just possible that 'the pilot/co pilot' had a massive coronary or
massive cerebral event just after the other pilot left the cockpit. Suicide or medical event, either way it will be VERY difficult to prove.
My thoughts go to the families of those who died.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 09:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Ever since it was introduced, I always felt that the "NO entry possible from the outside of the cockpit door" was a minefield, just
waiting to go bang, as a knee-jerk reaction to September 11th. It is just possible that 'the pilot/co pilot' had a massive coronary or
massive cerebral event just after the other pilot left the cockpit. Suicide or medical event, either way it will be VERY difficult to prove.
My thoughts go to the families of those who died.
Incorrect, the copilot activated the controls to put the plane into a decent, cannot be done by accident.
[Edited on 26/3/15 by wylliezx9r]
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 09:31 PM |
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There is also a keypad to gain access to the cockpit if needed. But it can be controlled from inside. If the copilot had simply collapsed the pilot
would of been able to access the cockpit. But the co pilot denied access showing he was fully awake.
[Edited on 26/3/15 by Ben_Copeland]
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sdh2903
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 09:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
There is also a keypad to gain access to the cockpit if needed. But it can be controlled from inside. If the copilot had simply collapsed the pilot
would of been able to access the cockpit. But the co pilot denied access showing he was fully awake.
[Edited on 26/3/15 by Ben_Copeland]
This^^
Keypad on outside. Access code gets entered. If no one answers the 'door bell' the door automatically opens after a programmed time
(airline specific usually 60 secs). If when the code is entered the pilot hits 'deny' the door is locked. Full stop. For a set time, again
programmed by the airline anywhere from 5 upto 20 mins. This therefore proves the copilot was compus mentus enough to firstly put the aircraft into a
descent and then deny access.
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owelly
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 10:18 PM |
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The latest 'reports' are suggesting that the co-pilots ex-girlfriend was a Muslim and arranged for them both to 'holiday' at a
jihad training camp. This would explain why the bloke 'disappeared' for a few weeks before he took employment with the doomed aircrafts
owners.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 26/3/15 at 11:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
The latest 'reports' are suggesting that the co-pilots ex-girlfriend was a Muslim and arranged for them both to 'holiday' at a
jihad training camp. This would explain why the bloke 'disappeared' for a few weeks before he took employment with the doomed aircrafts
owners.
We'll see, don't want to be jumping to conclusions as to the why and wherefore of the matters. However I'm sure that angle has
crossed everyone's mind at this point.
All I know is the guy was a grade A twat, no matter what the details are.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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luke2152
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| posted on 27/3/15 at 10:22 AM |
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Seems to me they are jumping to conclusions very fast. While he probably did it you want to be very sure of your facts before you blame someone for
such a heinous thing
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swanny
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| posted on 27/3/15 at 10:36 AM |
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technologically wise how far away are we from being able to take control of an aircraft in flight?
if we had concerns about an airplane ground control could take over and place it into autopilot and nullify this sort of thing or terrorist uses of
planes in this way.
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adithorp
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| posted on 27/3/15 at 10:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
Seems to me they are jumping to conclusions very fast. While he probably did it you want to be very sure of your facts before you blame someone for
such a heinous thing
Got to agree with that. I can't imagine any other legitimate explanationbut it's still a big decition tomake on the grounds of one
recording. It was interesting that the president of the pilots association qualified his comments with "if the accident investigation agrees
with the legal one"
As I was driving all afternoon yesterday , I found it interesting listening to the way the radio reports evolved. The first (a direct translation of
the French prosecutor) said the Capt' could be heard asking (on intercom) to open the door then tapping on the door and only in the final few
seconds a few screams could be heard from the passengers (indicating they had no knowledge of what was happening untill then). As the afternoon wore
on, these reports slowly changed (without new info released) untill the Capt' was hammering on the door in every increasing desperation and
trying to force entry and passengers could be heard panicing in increasing desperation. Was the sheer horror of what had happened not enough and it
had to be elaborated?
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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swanny
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| posted on 27/3/15 at 11:04 AM |
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media chinese whispers
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