) Make your own reverse with a starter motor engaging a ring gear which would be sandwiched between prop and diff.
Paddle shift or sequential gear? no matter, it's personal choice - paddle for me everytime...
And, YES!!!
Get it done mate!!!
im looking at going to a fireblade engine...
will i still be able to use my megajolt system, as the engine i have looked at is just the bare engine and box...
also what how and where do i get a reverse bit....and prices..
also paddle shift or center shift??
and is it easy to make??
cheers
barry
[Edited on 4/4/10 by boggle]
Don't think so, not sure where the trigger wheel would go on a bike engine.
Cheers
Rich
Sell the megajolt aswell and just use the ECU that's in the fireblade loom (less than £50 for the lot)
Make your own reverse with a starter motor engaging a ring gear which would be sandwiched between prop and diff.
Paddle shift or sequential gear? no matter, it's personal choice - paddle for me everytime...
And, YES!!!
Get it done mate!!!
On my GSXR1100 I swapped the original trigger wheel to drive a megasquirt. But my 36-1 wheel didn't work so well (wheel is too small, so teeth
were a bit too close) so I modified it into a 12-1 wheel. It was quite a lot of bother especially as I have had to reinvent my own timing table. If
you don't have a TPS output from the carbs, then there won't even be any benefit.
I think it will be better to get the original ECU and such unless you like doing things un-necessarily complex (like me).
Have you considered a different engine to the Fireblade? The costs of converting include:
Manifold (£300)
New prop
Prop adapter (£50)
Clutch mods
Airbox
Re-wiring
Mounting
It seems a shame to economise by putting in an early blade engine, when you can get R1 or even zx10r for very reasonable money.
Matt
define resonable money??
im hoping to get around £600 for my pinto setup so would like to go bec for this.....
7 R1 engines on e-bay from breakers. Between £500 and £950 for a 2003 year model.
You would need to add carbs to this price as they have removed them and also add the price of an ecu plus a few loom bits.
I think £600 is a bit of a challenge, but if you built a car for £250 then it is easy!
Matt
I think an R1 would be stretching it, but with help/advice off here, and doing all the work yourself, you could do a Blade conversion for that money...
Don't do it!!!!!! Sorry i can't help with costs though!
So did you not make an offer on this?
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=133112
Dont underestimate the Blade it's still quicker than me 3 years on 
quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
Don't do it!!!!!! Sorry i can't help with costs though!
quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
So did you not make an offer on this?
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=133112
Dont underestimate the Blade it's still quicker than me 3 years on
Do it, do it, DO IT!
Don't listen to the nay sayers. £600 will be tight though.
adrian
you will more than likely need a new diff also,depending on your ratio!
and the bec diffs generally are not cheap
3.62 or 3.38
'i did, and im still waiting to hear back....'
Boggle sorry, I assumed that in absence from any response to my u2u you were not that bothered and additionally that per your other posts you had not
even made up your mind on going BEC! Give me a shout after the guys at Detling have kindly offerred you a run once you decide.
(given the package on offer bit low, if it was an offer!)
cheers D
Oh yeah in answer to your post, given the services you have available should be a scoosh to you to do, as said you can do the starter motor reverse
thing although make sure you know it's limitations. Paddle shift system should be easily made up by yourself also. When you are looking at
engines make sure you factor all the bits to make it go ECU, fuelling ie carbs or Inj, pump, manifold & propp adapter. Again as said sell
off your megajolt.
cheers
D
[Edited on 3/4/10 by Davg]
[Edited on 3/4/10 by Davg]
Hi,
A BEC conversion will be tough for £600 to be honest.
Even a blade
I paid near £300 for the the engine (inc delivery £70 on a pallet)
£130ish for exhaust
£200 for the TRT prop
£50 for loom
£50 for carbs
£20 for airbox
£30 for the prop adapter
£20 for ecu
pretty much all second hand - and very lucky to get then for the prices I paid (esp the engine and exhaust) - a lot of the stuff could have been
shagged, but thankfully it wasn't.
it soon all adds up - that said I sold the zectec package that was in it when I bought it for more than I paid out, so it didn't really
matter.
All things considered part of me wishes I'd kept it CEC for those more leisurly moments, BUT a bigger part of me is chuffed to bits with the
blade lump, having it screaming away out of the corners lighting up the rear tyres, the sequential box, the acceleration - it is MAGNIFICENT!
Go out for a ride in one - THEN make your mind up. But be sure, and do it becuase you want, not for silly pub banter points.
A bec is a pretty comitted car, which makes it very rewarding on the right roads, and a pain in the ass on the wrong ones.
P.S - a lot of those prices are rough guestmates... it was a while ago!
[Edited on 3/4/10 by Dangle_kt]
[Edited on 3/4/10 by Dangle_kt]
My 918 blade engine is squirted only, just used the standard bikes ecu to fire the coils.
Just use the tacho feed to drive MS.
It made a big difference above dyno jetted carbs.
CEC to BEC, are you track focused then yes, if not then maybe.
To covert £400 engine, £150 prop does not leave a lot over to do anything else.
Regards Mark
i really think we all need two cars one with a Cec for normal road use and a bec version for when you have the need for speed or deluded F1 fantasy
have to say i was set on getting a bec but after a few rides i knew straight away yes i would love it on track but on road it would make me lose
license pretty quick 
dlatch
Yep and I am sure you keep to 30 in your Zetec
I've not yet been in a CEC that gives quote the same silly grin that a bike engine can bring. This is not to say there aren't any, as I suspect there are plenty, but for such an occasional car, the added buzz of the bike engine is perfect. I use mine mostly on roads, and have had no issues with not having a reverse, or traffic, or overheating. Compared to your Pinto, any bike engine will change the feeling of your car completely. Don't forget you will need new springs as the car will be considerably lighter (and therefore better!). DO IT!
i have a set of zx9r carbs at the mo waiting to go on the pinto...
i can get a zx9r engine for £350...so that puts me part way there...then a pump for £15....ecu i havent looked into yet....exhaust i can make
myself...
im probably going to use it for a few sprints and hillclimbs and the odd day out...i want to build something that i can push and enjoy, ive got my
vectra for plodding around...
i just want to build the car to the best of my abilities and make it as good as i can...if that makes sense?? i dont paln on having it back on the
road this year so time is not a factor...but i dont want to buy things twice anymore...i want to get the right bits first time..if thats possible??
cheers for all the help guys....
barry
Sounds like you have decided then?
one thing that my misses asked is if you have a 900cc bec, do you pay lower tax???
Yep!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Davg
Sounds like you have decided then?
Just taxed one of the R1's 998cc
£125 - year
or
£68.75 - year
assuming yours is already reg'd as a pinto you will have to apply to the god's to have it reclassed once done with a report.
how do you mean???
another iva?????
No just change of engine & lower cc.
ok....im asuming that they come out and make sure it is a 900cc lump in there???
nope - up to you to submit info in support of the change. Couple of pics and/or letter from local garage (engineers report in DVLA speak) should
suffice.
cheers D
can you do your own report or does it need to be independent??
quote:
Originally posted by boggle
can you do your own report or does it need to be independent??
when i changed the rush engine the dvla accepted a receipt for the engine as proof - they will then go to the seller and ask him - tracing the engines origins... simple receipt is good even from a private sale
From DVLA site
Change to engine and cylinder capacity (engine size)
DVLA will need written evidence of any changes to engine number and cylinder capacity (cc). Written evidence can be:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle
ok....that is straight forward enough....
thanks everyone for clearing that up...
so.....
do i look for a ninja engine or a blade engine???
you have u2u
replied 
I don't know much of the kwak lump, but my blade engine has been great.
Andy bates who has been doing this for years rates the older blades. And he knows his onions.
One thing to be aware if is chassis rails, my car had to have a cross member of the chassis cut and refabricated to fit becuase of the headers.
Don't forget about the engine cradle and gear change mechanism, neither of which I costed in my earlier email.
Buying a package isn't a bad idea, as you KNOW it all works together. There is always a danger when buying things seperatly that it won't
all be compatible.
You might also need to weld in a centre bearing mount in the tunnel.
You don't need to go on a diet. Neither me or steve hignett are anorexic and his car was plenty rapid enough when two up. Though it has to be
said that weight does impact on performance. One up is a bit quicker.
For £600 you should look at a zx9 or a CBR1000F - these are cheap as chips, make Blade+ power but are about 15kgs heavier all up.
i have a very limited knowledge of bikes..is the first one a ninja??
quote:
Originally posted by boggle
i have a very limited knowledge of bikes..is the first one a ninja??
do you need to rev the hell out of them to move or do they pull from low down??
my driving roads consist mainly of very twisty winding roads....not many long straights...
i like the little amount of space it uses, how much does a zx9 lump weigh??
cheers
barry
You need to get the answer to this yourself, with a ride in one.
Else you will get vaying answres from both camps.
first ride and I was sold even though I knew it was what I wanted, it just confirmed it.
Since I built it's always perfomed better than I thought it would
Just do it
i went out in a bec and a cec today.....
And....?
Its not a terribly common installation but the CBR1000F is a good budget road car motor. More torque than a 'Blade, no sump mods required.
Corrr! at least let us know how you found it! You've had the benefit of our opinion, I'd personally really like to hear your on how you
found it.
well...
my 1st run out was in a R1 powered Fisher Fury. my first impressions were poo this thing is lively!! lack of traction and constant driver imput were
apparent from the off, this was the first thing that appealed to me!
Acceleration to 70mph was very quick but the fact that the engine sounds like its screaming its nuts off at 70 was a bit strange, but i suppose if you
are used to riding high powered bikes this is the norm?
I also liked the fact that you can change gear without the use of the clutch, but i'm not sure on the paddle change idea.
I was surprised at how well behaved it was at low revs and pulling away...
I came back with a smile on my face...
then i was taken for a spin in another fisher fury with a v6 engine, straight away you can feel the difference in low end power and weight. the car
felt a lot more planted and stable at high speeds but i think this could easily lure me into a false sence of security and take that extra feel for
granted, the BEC always seemed to be asking for driver feedback.
acceleration wise i could not tell which was quicker, both went like the clappers and both sounded amazing.
i think that for long distance work or regular use or even gentle runs out the CEC would be the way to go however, the BEC appealed to me more because
of the constant driver vehicle interaction would suit me more especially as i dont intend to drive like miss daisy and will be using the car for some
competition use..
Looks like its gonna be a BEC for me in the locost. However, my wife and i have decided that the next build will be a fisher fury with a car engine,
possibly a rover v8.
Cheers for all your comments and advice.
both cars were amazing and its taken me a good few hours to finally decide what i want to do......cheers to both people for your rides out, claire too
and the other chap whos name i have forgotten...
Barry
[Edited on 4/4/10 by boggle]
T'was a pleasure Barry.
If you need any info on an R1 install give me a shout.
If I was to have a non BEC I would probably go S2000. High reving but still lots of grunt. If only it had a sequential box it truly would be the
best of both worlds.
Cheers
Jim
quote:
Originally posted by boggle
Looks like its gonna be a BEC for me in the locost.
Barry
[Edited on 4/4/10 by boggle]
"... lack of traction and constant driver imput..."
I instantly recognised that as Jims, "try and scare the bejesus out of them" demo' driving style.
I take it the V6 was Clairs car?
adrian
yes the v6 was claires....
strangely i didnt feel scared in either cars.....
both cars had good drivers
T'was damp and greasy. No place for heroics, leave that for Brands or Stelvio in the snow
- Jim
quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
"... lack of traction and constant driver imput..."
I instantly recognised that as Jims, "try and scare the bejesus out of them" demo' driving style.
I take it the V6 was Clairs car?
adrian
So not like when you took the manageress from the hotel in Laon out and you were still going sidways as you went past on the by-pass?
quote:
Originally posted by jimgiblett
T'was damp and greasy. No place for heroics, leave that for Brands or Stelvio in the snow
- Jim
quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
"... lack of traction and constant driver imput..."
I instantly recognised that as Jims, "try and scare the bejesus out of them" demo' driving style.
I take it the V6 was Clairs car?
adrian
She told me she didn't have much time for a drive out and it would need to be quick
I think that's what she said
quote:
Originally posted by boggle
well...
my 1st run out was in a R1 powered Fisher Fury. my first impressions were poo this thing is lively!! lack of traction and constant driver imput were apparent from the off, this was the first thing that appealed to me!
Acceleration to 70mph was very quick but the fact that the engine sounds like its screaming its nuts off at 70 was a bit strange, but i suppose if you are used to riding high powered bikes this is the norm?
I also liked the fact that you can change gear without the use of the clutch, but i'm not sure on the paddle change idea.
I was surprised at how well behaved it was at low revs and pulling away...
I came back with a smile on my face...
then i was taken for a spin in another fisher fury with a v6 engine, straight away you can feel the difference in low end power and weight. the car felt a lot more planted and stable at high speeds but i think this could easily lure me into a false sence of security and take that extra feel for granted, the BEC always seemed to be asking for driver feedback.
acceleration wise i could not tell which was quicker, both went like the clappers and both sounded amazing.
i think that for long distance work or regular use or even gentle runs out the CEC would be the way to go however, the BEC appealed to me more because of the constant driver vehicle interaction would suit me more especially as i dont intend to drive like miss daisy and will be using the car for some competition use..
Looks like its gonna be a BEC for me in the locost. However, my wife and i have decided that the next build will be a fisher fury with a car engine, possibly a rover v8.
Cheers for all your comments and advice.
both cars were amazing and its taken me a good few hours to finally decide what i want to do......cheers to both people for your rides out, claire too and the other chap whos name i have forgotten...
Barry
[Edited on 4/4/10 by boggle]
quote:
Originally posted by andrew.carwithen
quote:
Originally posted by boggle
well...
acceleration wise i could not tell which was quicker, both went like the clappers and both sounded amazing....
Barry
[Edited on 4/4/10 by boggle]
Do you intend to carry passengers regularly?
Because in a BEC, you certainly notice a drop in performance with the additional weight of a passenger (well that's what I find with my blade engine.)
my plans on the car have changed drastically now and i have finally set my sights on the car being used 90% for sprints and climbs....
i dont mind a drop in performance if the wife is with me.........
Very interesting thread. I am also considering to swap to bec at the moment. My old xflow broke down last year.
if you havnt been out in a BEC then i would say its worth a go.......they are not for everyone but, if you come back with a grin then you will know its for you!!!
quite hard to find one here in germany ;-)
looks like you need a holiday to stoneleigh !!!
I planned a visit to stoneleigh this year.
But unfortunately i cannot go. I have to work
Maybe someone who is visiting the nurburgring could take me for a spin?
[Edited on 6/4/10 by budha]
Will the German authorities allow a BEC.
Whereabouts in Germany are you? We are visiting the Vosges Mountains and will be near the border as we travel down to Switzerland in June.
Cheers
Jim
I am quite confident that I can get the car road legal here as well. Already in contact with our TÜV.
I am from Frankfurt. Would really like to have a ride in your car. But anyway I have to make a discission soon.
At the moment the striker is sitting in the garage without an engine and the weather is getting better and better...
SO!!!!!!
Which is best BEC or CEC??
Opinions anyone? Mwuuhhhahahaha!
(as he stands back to watch the fireworks)