Billywhizz
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| posted on 20/10/02 at 08:37 PM |
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Has anyone finished chassis yet
Hi Im new to this site, just started building tiger chassis as per Jims book and wondered how anyone is getting on with the build, any useful advice?
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 08:49 AM |
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Nope.
Currently analyzing the Chassis.
Davide Mora put a problem in the TigerRacing Yahoo! Group that nobody could answear about the front suspension base tubes [310-1000 (should be
parallel with floor) and 0-400 (should have some inclination), but they are welded with a suspension bracket over them ]
Joao Caldeira
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davimora
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 10:05 AM |
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Hi,
still working on this problem, now i'm trying to contact some Avon builder, for get some pictures of the "real thing".
At the moment i'm a bit depressed, there are many other problems... 
I noticed Tiger have removed the DIY chassis option from the price list...
Davide
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 11:53 AM |
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Hi Davide.
Did you see the msg I put in the Tiger Group?
What do you mean by "DIY chassis option from the price list"??
Joćo Caldeira
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davimora
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 01:02 PM |
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Hi,
just saw your post.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tigerracing/message/43135
Well, i agree with you. I tried to send an email to Jim some weeks ago, was about another topic but i got a very poor answer.
This is also the reason why i've not bought a Tiger kit.
The longest reply i got was 2 lines.
Anyway, instead of explain him the problem with words.. i'm not so sure i can explain well.
I was thinking about make an hardcopy from the CAD showing the problem, and send him the link.
I'll publish on my website before send to him.
Davide
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davimora
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 02:09 PM |
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Sorry, i forgot. About "DIY chassis option from the price list".
I'm 99% sure there was also the "DIY chassis" option the last time i took a look to the price list.
Was the set of pre-cutted tubes for build your chassis. Maybe i'm blind... but i cannot find it anymore.
Davide
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 03:04 PM |
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About Jim.
I've writed him once, and he replyed mr very quickly with the info I need. A few messages were changed. I think that he might receive a few hundreds
of mails, hence the need of short replys
If I believe that I can, I'll build my chassis and buy the rest of the Avon kit.
About the way you've explained, it was clear to me, but I'm not english, too 
Joćo Caldeira
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davimora
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 03:10 PM |
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>> If I believe that I can, I'll build my chassis and buy the rest of the Avon kit.
if it's so, my suggestion is buy also the chassis... and send me a lot of pictures!
no kidding, if you plan to buy the other parts from tiger, the 380£ chassis will cost you less than the buy the tubes, the welder.. and the other
things, and you will have the "real thing".
Davide
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eenud
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 06:44 PM |
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I have just about decided to build the chassis rather than buy. Now you have me worried, I have spent the last few days looking and thinking and had
not noticed this.
Has anyone worked out what the minimum amount of metal you need to purchase would be and what that would cost? I am just starting the calculations,
and listing each tube. Has anyone already done this?
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Billywhizz
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 06:49 PM |
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Hi
Ive now got all the chassis and wishbones tacked up, didn't have any problems with the base tubes unless Ive missed something, had a few other
problems with some of the dimensions for the upper chassis being wrong in the book, spoke to Jim about it at donnington but he was no use at all and
said he didn't even do the drawings himself and that tiger had not had the time to try and produce a chassis to the book drawings, a jig built
chassis was measured very badly to produce the drawings
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Billywhizz
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 07:01 PM |
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I have used 8 6.1 mth lengths of 1" rhs to build the chassis and have managed to find offcuts for the rest. got the laser cut parts ordered through
work they were a lot lot cheaper than what tiger wanted to charge me for them
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eenud
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 07:05 PM |
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Billywhizz
You don't have a note of the corections, you needed to make do you.
Ian
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Billywhizz
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| posted on 22/10/02 at 07:32 PM |
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I had problems with the chassis top rail but i see this has already been corrected although I think the top rail measurement in drawing 6.3b which was
1505 in the book then changed to 1520 should be 1535mm well thats what i had to make mine. Also the headlamp support bracket in drawing 6.3b is made
from 5mm plate in drawing 6.6c it is made from 8mm plate I asked about this and was told 8mm is now used to stop the lights flapping around. The only
other problems I had were that the pictures of the completed chassis in the book, were not made to the drawings in the book so when comparing the
drawings for the rear of the car and the tunnel to the pictures it gets confusing.
hope this makes some sense
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davimora
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 07:28 AM |
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for Billywhizz
Hi,
maybe you can help, maybe i've missed something from the book.
Take a look to this drawing:
http://www.argosystems.it/as-connector/prob.jpg
what i got from the book's drawings, the part D have an inclination, while A and C are at the same level.
If it's so i dont understand, a) why in the drawings there is no D part, cutted? i dont think. b) if you have to weld the suspensions brackets half
on the plain tube (A) and half on the inclined tube (B).
if you have a cutlist or pictures.. is welcome!
regards,
Davide
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davimora
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 01:47 PM |
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To eenud
I'm interested on cooperate for make a cut list. I'm making a cad file for the chassis.
Davide
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eenud
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 06:44 PM |
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Cutting list
Davide,
I am starting by labeling each tube, giving them as near as practical the labels of the "R.Champion" book ( i.e.A1,A2 etc.). This may be a bit long
winded, but then I can then adapt the spreadsheets on the Mcsorley web site. If anyone has already done this, please stop me now. If not I will e-mail
to anyone willing to check before the hacksaw comes out!
Regards
Ian
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Billywhizz
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| posted on 23/10/02 at 07:02 PM |
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Davimora
the way I did the front was to leave tubes A and C flat and tilt tube B(400 mm) up to give a height of 30mm from floor to bottom of front tube, this
seems to be o.k the supension bracket sits mostly on tube B with a small gap to weld on tube A .hope this helps I will try to sort some pictures out
soon. Sorry no cutting list was going to make one but got carrid away and cut them as I needed them
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davimora
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| posted on 24/10/02 at 06:52 AM |
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to Billywhizz and eenud
Hi All,
Billywhizz, thanks for your explanation. I hope i'll get a picture of the Tiger made chassis today. I'll publish it in my web site.
eenud, if you already gave the names to the tubes.. please send me the excel file, so i can use the same names in the cad files 
(d.mora@argosystems.it)
If not, i can start using the Ron Champion's "style" and we can fix the differences later.
Davide
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eenud
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 06:58 PM |
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Tubes
Davide,
I have labeled them all on paper and am about 2/3 through putting the sizes onto XL. I should finnish tonight with luck and will e-mail, as soon as
done. This will be the first draft so please point out any of the fault you find.
Cheers
Ian.
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gjn200
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 08:05 PM |
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As I *think* I'm the only person here to have ordered a chassis, I will post up plenty of pics for you all to peruse if it turns up on time in a
month
Graham
Ps promise you wont laugh at the trolly thing I'm making.
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Viper
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 09:09 PM |
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Chassis
Just a quick intro, i am a welder fabricator by trade and have built a couple of R Champions chassis for friends in the past, and when it came to
building something for myself i realy couldnt be bothered so i bought one from Tiger, unless you have a fairly decent mig plant and a bit of
experiance with welding and plenty of paitence i would recomend buying one and save yourself a lot of hair pulling...
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eenud
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| posted on 25/10/02 at 11:45 PM |
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Build or buy
I would tend to agreed with you, but when I phoned about a chassis, delivery would be mid to end of Jan. I am impatient and am planning to build one,
whilst still concidering the options. It keeps me of the streets!
Ian
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Viper
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| posted on 26/10/02 at 11:28 PM |
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Mid to end of jan? that gives you about 3 months to locate and overhaul your donor parts believe me the time will fly by
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eenud
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 10:26 PM |
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Viper,
How's the build going then, and what mechanicals are you using? From a welders point of view, how well made is the chassis?
Ian
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Viper
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| posted on 27/10/02 at 10:43 PM |
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The chassis is ok, the welding is not overly pretty but is well penetrated, i bought the chassis in bare metal so i could check.though no doubt i will
change a few bits here and there.
at the moment i am still reconditioning bits i decided that all the bearings, seals, etc would be new as i havent a clue of there history, the mechs
are cosie shafts cv joints, xr4x4 diff(slipper) and hub carriers sierra rear callipers on solid 4x4 discs AP fourpots (magnesium) on the front with
Tarox vented 2.8i capri discs, spent about £1250. at the moment had planned to spend about £4000. but we will see, I think the chassis was worth the
money, it is put together a lot better than some i have seen, a couple i have looked at the weld had actualy missed the joint completley. I can
understand why people build there own chassis but i do it all day long and didn't want to do it when i came home. which ever route you take best of
luck and the main thing is enjoy it its supposed to be a hobby.
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