OK - not the usual debate!!!
Finally getting around to fitting my wishbones. started putting in the PU bushes yesterday and (apart from them being really easy top fit!) I have
found that they seem to be too big ?
Unfortuantely i did not take a picture but basically when the bushes are put in from each side and touching in the middle there is about a 1mm gap
from the edge of the tube to the shoulder of the bush (2mm total)
It would sem to me that this would allow the wishbones to move sligthly backward and forward?
Is this correct ?
my other simpler question is where do the tiger supplied metal bushes fit ? I'm guessing outboard end of lower rear wishbones but I can't
find that confirmed anywhere ?
Cheers
Hi Dave,
You will have to cut down the bushes slightly as the bush shoulder need to be flush with the wishbone tube for them to fit the brackets on the
chassis.
Metal bushes should be fitted in the lower outboard joint of the rear susspension, attached pic shows.
Cheers!
Andy Bause
VX 16v AVON
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Cheers, guess i will now have to remove a couple of bushes 
which will no doubt be more difficult than fitting them
In your picture it would appear that the rear wishbones are the other way round than explained in the book (bad english). The book says that the
longer arm should be to the rear...
Is that just an optical illusion or is it another "feature" of the book to be wary of ?
Cheers
Any suggestions on the best way to cut the bushes down ?
cheers
The book is wrong. Fit the lower rear wishbones opposite way to what it says in the book. Well thats if you are looking at revison one of book.
cheers... yet another - tigerism....
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Originally posted by carlgeldard
The book is wrong. Fit the lower rear wishbones opposite way to what it says in the book. Well thats if you are looking at revison one of book.
and so another can of worms is opened.......
I read this section of LB often - it's reassuring! 
quote:
Originally posted by DaveFJ
and so another can of worms is opened.......
Andy
About 2 years ago at Coiln King's (Avon builder near York) Graham,Pat,Coiln and I were talking about things tiger related (as you do) and it was
agreed by all four of us that the book was wrong. Colin also said "Jim said the book is wrong flip the wishbone over" I know for a fact that
Tiger now put a small bead of weld on the wishbone to indicate which way around they go,But I can not tell you if its the weld bead to the front or
rear.
Carl
Sorry forgot to say I don't know what it say's in the second book but chances are they only changed the picture on the front cover and the
price. (locost revision of the book)
Carl
Carl,
I've just had a look at Colin King's build manual (downloaded from N.E.T.O.C site).
He states that the 'weld' on the lower bones goes to the rear.
Do yours have this weld marking and, if so, what arm is it on (longer or shorter?)
There's a revised edition book on ebay at mo'. I'll see if I can put in a successful bid, (finishes tomorrow) and if so, I'll be
able to tell all, what exactly, the differences are between the two editions (so, please, will nobody else on here bid on it!)
Andy.
I spoke to Tiger directly about this (after the above night), and they said, "No fit them as the book." After discussing this with them for
a while, they said they would go and put one together to try. They then said, " Your right, fit them oposite to what the book (1st edition)
says."
The most important thing is the measurement from the back of the chassis to the end of the wishbone it mentions in the book, is it 110mm from
memory?
Sorry
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
I read this section of LB often - it's reassuring!
Graham,
Did you flip over both upper and lower wishbones or just the lower?
Andy.
Just lower 
So, to recap:-
Upper wishbone - long arm to rear.
Lower wishbone - long arm to front.
Correct?
Thanks,
Andy.
P.S.
(I'll probably ask the same question on the main Tiger forum - There's far too much space taken up with technical queries on the Cat and Six
anyway!
)
I made my own wishbones so I don't have the welds in question.
Hellfire:-You would love the engineering challenge and you are only jealous because you got an MK
Carl
Andy
It was disscussed on the old Yahoo site do a search
Carl
quote:
Originally posted by carlgeldard
Andy
It was disscussed on the old Yahoo site do a search
Carl
that your
callipers are at the front?) quote:
Originally posted by andrew.carwithen
So, Graham, if you read this, did the bones and uprights still line up ok inspite of this? (thought there was some sort of offset in the uprights as well?)
Thanks,
Andy.
) Buggered if I'm changing mine . I spent ages aligning the rear wheels for camber and toe.
Dave, I'm assuming you have a late kit as you have Poly bushes? The rear lower wishbones have a short line of weld to indicate the side facing
the rear of the car.
Cheers!
Andy Bause
VX 16v AVON
[Edited on 4/4/05 by Andrew Bause]
Yeah, and we all know what fun Graham had fitting his rear bones!
And the rear shockers are meant to be on a stupid angle - tiger design!
Pat...
Just to add more fuel to the fire before I get banned from the site. In the photo (Andrew Bause) it show's the rose joints on the bottom wishbone
at the front of the brakets mine are at the rear. And I think the uprights are offset. And don't ask which way around I have the uprights I just
can't remember. What I do remember is that chester sports cars did there rear setup like me see photo.
Carl
[Edited on 5/4/05 by carlgeldard]
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You were at that AutoSport show too then Carl
Yes and No I got that photo off a Cd from Pat and he got the cd from you so that must be your photo just like this one
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and this one
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And this one. Have you got anymore special interests. I know why there are no ladys at the Yorkshire meeting if your around.
[Edited on 5/4/05 by carlgeldard]
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Sorry to bring us crashing back down on topic ...!
but I now have some piccies of my PU bushes as they are at the moment. According to the Tiger book the tubes on the wishbones should be 32mm - it
turns out mine are all 29mm Please could someone measure theirs and let me know the results (would be good to get a few answers for comparison)
anyway have a look at these pics and you will see what i my dilema clearly
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Mine are all 32mm but I made my own bones they also had an I/D of 26.5mm
Carl
Two options spring to mind,
1. Turn down the bushes and crush tubes to fit the bush tubes. Requires access to a lathe but will have the benefit of allowing small amount of
'room for adjustment' by shimming the wishbones within the mounts.
2. Turn some spacers from material identical to the bush tubes. Again requiring access to a lathe but less machining time required.
Mick
I would think it's Tiger's problem if you got the bushes and bones from them.
If everbody tell you how long there tubes are and it is documented in the book as been 32mm. What can they do but offer you an exchange. It cannot be
a new design because they have not changed to brackets on the chassis or bushes.
Carl
I have emailed Tiger about this, now waiting for a reply....
Just been talking to Richard at Tiger in London;
apparently the bushes do need to be cut down a bit to fit
He also confirmed that the weld marked on the rear lower wishbone goes to the rear.
He suggested using a grinder or belt sander to shorten the bushes - any thoughts on this - I have been considering buying one of these:
which would seem ideal for the process - any thoughts ?
[Edited on 5/4/05 by DaveFJ]
If you grind down the bushes won't you then have to pack out the brackets on the chassis to take out the slack. This can not be right. At least
you will be able to adjust the castor angle using washers.
Carl
quote:
Originally posted by carlgeldard
If you grind down the bushes won't you then have to pack out the brackets on the chassis to take out the slack. This can not be right. At least you will be able to adjust the castor angle using washers.
Carl
Reducing the PU bushes won't be too much of a problem but I wouldn't attempt to reduce the lengths of the crush tubes with either a grinder
or linisher. IMO these need to be reduced on a lathe to maintain a square face.
Mick
How do they look when the bolts are torqued up? Mine are the same, but I was hoping for the excess yellow to be taken up when tightened....
Cut the poly bushes down with a sharp knife, thats easy.
Why don't you get some washers with an ID of the OD of the crush tubes and use those? Saves shortening the crush tubes.
I shortened both BTW.
Cheers
any piccy's of how yours turned out northy ?
also how did you cut down the tube ?
cheers
Might have some pics somewhere. Cut my crush tubes with a file!
not sure how i am going to proceed yet with my poly bushes, but here is the next question just to get things going again....
how the f*** do you get the steel bushes into the lower rear wishbones? they are way to big!- I have tried heating the w/b and left the bush in the
freezer overnightand yet I still cant even get close to fitting. insides of tubes are nice and clear - (quick blast with a flap wheel) but the tubes
are just cutting into the lip at the end of the bushes. I have yet to try putting a schamfer on the tubes but with this much interference it seems a
bit hopeless
I didn't, I used poly bushes there.
I used a long bolt from a hub puller, some washers and a big socket to pull the bush into the wish bones. Oh and a long brittool wrench... all 4 fitted in about half an hour. Still not sure what to do with the polly ones after reading the previous posts?
OK,
fully cleaned up the tube and chamferd the leading edge. used a 10mm 8.8 ton bolt as the main puller. I got the bush in all the way but the last 8mm
by which time it was so stiff that I sheared the bolt!
bugger knows what i can try now.....
Use a stronger bolt?
The bushes in question are tapered not that you can see with the naked eye. Have you got a vernier gauge. Also try going to a local garage Eg:- Main
dealers they will have a hydraulic press.
Carl
Broke two vices getting half of one bush in
£5 at a local garage with a manual press!
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Originally posted by timwest167
Broke two vices getting half of one bush in
£5 at a local garage with a manual press!
I too broke two vices doing this and still paid 25 quid at the garage for them to do it. Also had to buy my dad a new vice. Hadnt costed for that.
What torque wrench settings have people used for the bolts on the suspension?
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Originally posted by DaveFJ
[Will have to find a local garage that can sort it for me. cheers for all the help.
I can feel a visit across town coming on......
Used a pucker press at engine shop. Did it myself and gave the guy a drink. Took about 5 mins for all of the bushes. Tools for the job and all that.
Just been looking at Chester Sportscars site.
They advertise poly bush sets for Tigers which they say are exclusive to them!
Does this mean they are different to the Tiger supplied ones (i.e actually fit?)
Has anyone fitted the Chester ones?
Andy.
Mine are from Chester sportcars and they supply Tiger. It's down to Tiger to make all the wishbones the same.
Carl
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I got mine from Chester Sportscars before they supplied tiger, and they fit the dimensions in the book. Pity the wishbones aren't the same as the
book
Thanks to TimF my metal bushes are now fitted
Cheers mate
Ok so I now have 2 options to sort out my PU bush problem....
Look close the difference is subtle....
Bush options
Opinions please ...............
I would go with option 1. With option 2 you have a lose washer, that will cause wear to crush tube, braket, etc.
Option 1
Reason as above
Carl
I did option 1
Option 1, you will need all the adjustment you can to get the castor angle the same both sides.