scooby doo !
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| posted on 21/2/03 at 07:57 PM |
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need advice ?
I am new to the lowcost kitcar game, but after considering the many Kitcar options and my lack of cash i have decided to buy two books one from RC
and the other from Tiger.
But the problem is i dont want to fit a standard Ford or Rover engine or even a Bike engine, i would like to fit a subaru Impreza 2l turbo engine. But
no one seems to have done this and anyone i have talked to says i am mad,(i didnt need them to tell me that!!)
There is something about the note of a flat four engine that stirs the blood.
Is there anyone out there that has fitted this into a seven replica or can offer me any advice on how to go about this. What gearbox could be used ?
Any advice would be most appreciated :)
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johnston
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| posted on 21/2/03 at 08:00 PM |
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i have worked on a few flat4s and i think itll be too wide for a locost chassis
g box aint a prob u can weld centre diff and just use prop out the bac and forget 2 frt drive shafts
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scooby doo !
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| posted on 23/2/03 at 08:43 AM |
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looks like will need to wait till books arrive and get the measuring tape out.
Tanx for the advice.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 23/2/03 at 09:16 AM |
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why not "adapt" the chassis to fit the running gear,plenty people have and end up with a car that looks a bit different 
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Stu16v
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| posted on 23/2/03 at 11:51 AM |
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I dont think that the scooby motor is gonna fit without some serious mods to chassis design. And I am pretty sure that you will have to run with a 2WD
system as the original system has the front wheel drive shafts coming out of the gearbox. If you have a look in the photo archive you will see that
engines in a seven type vehicle are quite a way behind the front axle line, whereas the Scooby's engine is foward of the axle line..
I'm not trying to put a dampener on your idea, remember anything is possible with an angle grinder and a mig welder! Have a look through the Mid
engine section if you have a flair for something different, but if you want something 7 inspired, I think the Scoob unit isnt the one for you.
Cheers, Stu.
[Edited on 23/2/03 by Stu16v]
Dont just build it.....make it!
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scooby doo !
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 posted on 24/2/03 at 10:28 PM |
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Adopting the chassis wasnt what i had planned for a first time builder like myself, but if it wasnt to big a job and i could do it whilst retaining
the geometry of the build i would seriously consider it.
However the g box would concern me as it would need to be reliable. Does anyone know if Subaru made just a RWD Impreza, Same as Ford made a RWD RS
Cosworth (best production car Ford ever made, it has the looks and the performance, sorry thats for a different forum!!) or has anyone heard or know
of a way of mating another type of g box onto this engine.
Tanx for the help.
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johnston
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| posted on 24/2/03 at 10:44 PM |
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goin by memory i dont think you will be able to keep the lines of a 7 type car
never seen a rwd impreza but i think there was a pickup that was availble on import and like i said b4 u can weld the centre diff solid and use the
4wd as jus rwd
i measured a 1.6 one once too see if it would fit into a mk3 escy which had been converted to rwd and it would have just about fitted into that
but a mid engined car usin a fwd box could be fun have a look at alan b's website for ideas
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Stu16v
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| posted on 24/2/03 at 10:55 PM |
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You could probably adapt a Ford Type 9 gearbox to fit it (almost every other engine has been!), but I think the other factor may be the width of the
flat four motor. IMO its almost definately gonna stick out either side of a standard sized chassis. Spark plugs would be easy to change though!
You need to get the tape measure out, and find a scooby engine to play with. Take measurements as if you are trying to fit it into the smallest box
possible, if you get my drift, and compare with the room available in the chassis, taking into account top and bottom chassis rails, exhaust pipes
etc. No point in worrying about the gearbox side of it yet if the motor isnt going to fit.
HTH Stu.
Dont just build it.....make it!
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scooby doo !
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 12:01 AM |
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Hopefully the books i ordered arrive soon and i can start figuring out dimensions, and also find a subaru to take down its vital statistics.
Thanks for the advice will keep you posted.
Where there is life there is hope !!
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john_s
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 12:34 AM |
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From what's under the bonnet of my scoob, i think there might be a bit too much to squeeze under a 7 bonnet.
Unless Jim McSorley has any plans for something like a +12 chassis!
Would be fun if it could be pulled off though... they are a great car to start with.
John.
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Rorty
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 01:20 AM |
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If you can surmount the gearbox problem, there's no reason why you couldn't put it in the front of a Locost.
If you cant find an alternative gearbox, why not install the entire engine/ transaxle out of a FWD, and have the engine behind the transaxle.
The front of the chassis would need to be made wide enough to suit, along with the nose cone.
The front track would end up being substantially wider than "normal" (whatever that is!), which would also entail the rear track (entire car?)being
widened too.
It's possible, but you'd end up with a cool car that doesn't look quite like a Sevenesque Locost, and you'd be breaking new ground.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Noodle
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 07:09 AM |
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Some time ago I investigated various options for a Morris Minor engine transplant, including the Subaru flat 4. My main problem was the gearbox as I
wanted front engine, RWD.
It's possible (apparently) to weld the centre diff up. You're still left rotating redundant drivetrain though. When I measured up my old Legacy
Turbo, the gap between engine backplate and gearchange mechanism was pretty large. It would have necesitated changing gear under the Moggy's rear
seats!
Most of the information I got was from antipodeans as Scoobys are much admired workhorses down there.
I'll have a look for the photo's for diff welding that I was sent tonight
A bellhousing conversion would be a real boon for these motors. The only conversions I could find were Aussie transplants into Vee-Dub campers.
I like Rorty's suggestion of using the inline motor/transaxle gearbox from the FWD and making a rear drive beasty. Any one remember the Ox(I think) a
mid-engined BDA powered 7-esque device?
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Noodle
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 05:48 PM |
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I've attached the photo's in my err, photo area. Here's a hacked-down version of them...
 
Rescued attachment Crap.jpg
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fastenuff
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| posted on 25/2/03 at 06:35 PM |
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just thinking somewhere late eighties there were some buggies built using beetle transaxles and a V6 ford engine, (simular bolt patern to the pinto,
was this a simple bolt on??)
Now there is a company making adapter plates to put a suby boxer in the rear of beetles. some posiblities here??
Ingmar
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