rv1890
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| posted on 28/10/04 at 05:36 PM |
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Getting started
Building a locost seems very interesting, and my father and I are planning to get into it ourselves.
I just have a couple questions.
1. Are the plans and dimensions for building a locost described in Ron Champions book? If not where do I get the plans and dimensions.
2. Can a 1987 BMW straight 6 or V6 engine and transmission be used in such cars?.
Thank you and any help would be greatly appreciated. keep up the good work.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 28/10/04 at 05:47 PM |
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Use the Mcsorely plans, as the ones in the book are wrong in places. The Straight six is more likely to fit then the V6.
Do a good search on here.
Adam
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Cita
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| posted on 28/10/04 at 06:03 PM |
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Buy the book anyway!It has a lot of information on the build.
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wicket
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| posted on 28/10/04 at 06:47 PM |
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......& get yourselves a copy of the Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) manual from the VOSA in Swansea.
The Vehicle & Operator Services Agency
PO Box 12
Swansea
SA1 1BP
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 28/10/04 at 07:47 PM |
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I think a BMW straight 6 or a V6 would be a real struggle in a book chassis. I have a book chassis, and a pinto fills every space available, I cannot
imagine where 2 extra pots would go.
Definately go for McSorely plans, the book is so vague to cover for its inaccuracies. Print out the plans and use them as templates for
cutting.
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Chris Green
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 07:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wicket
......& get yourselves a copy of the Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) manual from the VOSA in Swansea.
The Vehicle & Operator Services Agency
PO Box 12
Swansea
SA1 1BP
How would I get this? Do I write a letter to them? or can I ring them up?
Cheers.
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PioneerX
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 09:18 AM |
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Chirs,
I think you have to write to them as they needed cheque. As far as I remember they wouldnt take a card payment over the phone.
As far as the beamer engine goes I think it would be too big for a 'book chassis' but one of the larger designs maybe alright. Luego do a
larger chassis (I believe its based on the McSorely +4 plan) (ie 4 inches wider than book) and they have got a Jag stright 6 in it, so have a look at
the dimentions of the engine you plan to use and the dimentions of the engine bay on the McSorely +4 chassis. You will find more and more suppliers
are doing bodywork in the +4 size, unless you plan to do your own bodywork.
Simon.
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blueshift
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 10:08 AM |
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The Luego Viento is a lot bigger than a McSorley 7+4. We're building a +4, but the Viento is a beast.
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philgregson
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 12:01 PM |
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A lot of people on this forum are fitting a ford V6 into a locost. Mine along with many others are fitting into a standard 'book chassis'
- it is a tight fit but doable.
I, along with every one else would recomend the McSorely plans - easy and accurate and although I haven't looked at the book for long time I
think it is still worth reading before you start. Even if you and up doing a lot of it a different way it is still a good starting point.
Whatever people say about the book just look at the number of poor sad fools on this site, most of whom were inspired by the mighty tome. It was
certainly enough to get my interest going and will no doubt be responsible for the ruin of thousands more.
The best resource, however, is this site - many builds would not have been completed without it.
Have fun
Phil
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Tigers
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 12:20 PM |
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BMW straigh six
The biggest problem with bimmer 6-pot monster is that it's quite high, as intake mainfold goes over camshaft cover. Otherwise it fits fine in +4
chasis (with longer engine compartment. Probaly you want to take off original fan and swap to electric one - that also saves a lot of space.
I'm thinking - would it be possible to fit intake mainfold from M50/M52 to M20 engine? If not, I will just make a big air intake above the
hood.
Janis
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 01:04 PM |
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Been said many times so in short........
The book is an inspiration and guide, it aint gospel, buy it, read it, build it.
Yes there are mistakes but there easy to spot and overcome, once youve got the bottom rails down and get into the chassis build proper don't
take the book measurments as been what you need, if it says for example "bar xxx is 450mm long" measure it on your chassis, and if it
needs to be 460mm long then thats how long to cut it, simple but thats been a complaint by some, "i cut my bar as per book and its 15mm
short".
2nd bit of advice don't cut all your tubes/bars at once but pretty much as you go along that way you won't fall foul of the above.
3rd bit of advice, get on with it n enjoy.
4th bit of advice, dont take as gospel all you read on here, post a query, read the replys and make your own mind up, there must be hundreds of
locosts out there, no two will look alike but each will be loved by its owner/builder and the envy of many.
before anyone gets shirty on point 4 dont read it the wrong way, what i mean is listen to everyone but make your own mind up, what worked for or was
liked by you/me may not be everyones cup of tea.
sad init when you have to explain yourself for fear of offending anyone.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 01:13 PM |
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Round of applause for jon's wonderful speach.
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philgregson
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 01:28 PM |
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sad init when you have to explain yourself for fear of offending anyone.
You offensive B*****d!!
If you don't want to offend anyone then you should perhaps try a little harder:
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dont read it the wrong way
!!!!
I'm sure many people on this site are dyslexic and cannot help but read it the wrong way - and why shouldn't they if that is what they
want??
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listen to everyone
!!!
Words fail me! What if someone is deaf and incapable of listening to anyone, let alone everyone. Why do you think they should be exempt from your
so-called good advice eh!
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what worked for or was liked by you/me may not be everyones cup of tea
So what is or is not a tasty and effective cup of tea is down to you/me now - no room for different tea tastes on this faschist forum then!!!
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when you have to explain yourself for fear of offending anyone
So you have to explain your self to the rest of us then - you patronising F****wit. I'm just sorry that the rest of us are not quite up to your
obviously superior standards of intellect.
I submit that Jon, and indeed anyone else with an aponion contrary to mine, or indeed anything to say at all should be expelled from this forum
forthwith - this is not the place for such behaviour.
This may, or may not, be my last post (possibly) on this matter - for now anyway!
Yours angrily
Phil
P.S. What does anyone think about the weather?
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indykid
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 01:34 PM |
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lol
its a bit muggy up here, still, i suppose it's not too bad for this time of the year
tom
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 01:36 PM |
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sorry you feel that way Phil, i would like to offer a full and public apoligy to you. so hear goes "sorry".
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philgregson
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 02:07 PM |
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its a bit muggy up here
You lot just can't help yourselves can you!!!!
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sorry you feel that way Phil, i would like to offer a full and public apoligy to you. so hear goes "sorry".
err, err, err - wasn't expecting that one - how am I meant to be offended by that? Bugger!
Phil
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 02:44 PM |
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Phil, i will try n explain myself cos i think you missed the point
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what worked for or was liked by you/me may not be everyones cup of tea
the "you" refered to the other 3.5k members on here not "me and a.n.other"
my point was liten to others but make your own mind up, everyone is entilted to an opinion, if we all thought the same it would be pretty boring, and
your fully entitled to dissagree, no problem with that, but to use the terms you used was not imho the way to do it..........
there guess it dont make sense cos i'm no intelect.
I refuse to get into a foul mouthed slanging match with anyone so like iv'e posted below "Time to go" enjoy your builds, enjoy your
cars, be proud of what you built.
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philgregson
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 03:27 PM |
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Jon
I really didn't miss the point - in my own way I was attempting to agree with you by parodying the intolerant behaviour that seems to be
becoming more prevelent on this site.
I thought it was funny
Sorry!
See 'time to go' post
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Jeffers_S13
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| posted on 4/11/04 at 04:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PioneerX
Chirs,
I think you have to write to them as they needed cheque. As far as I remember they wouldnt take a card payment over the phone.
As far as the beamer engine goes I think it would be too big for a 'book chassis' but one of the larger designs maybe alright. Luego do a
larger chassis (I believe its based on the McSorely +4 plan) (ie 4 inches wider than book) and they have got a Jag stright 6 in it, so have a look at
the dimentions of the engine you plan to use and the dimentions of the engine bay on the McSorely +4 chassis. You will find more and more suppliers
are doing bodywork in the +4 size, unless you plan to do your own bodywork.
Simon.
How much is the SVA guide, I cant find anything about it on the VOSA website.
James
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PioneerX
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| posted on 4/11/04 at 04:31 PM |
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Jeffers,
£38 I think, but it was a while ago and I dont have my build receipts to had right now.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 4/11/04 at 04:32 PM |
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btw
a v6 is SHORTER than an average 4 cyl engine - my colgne 2.9 v6 is about 3 1/2 cylinders long compared to a pinto.
however, its wider at the top as the cylinders top out at the V. But thats the widest point of a locost chassis anyways.
atb
steve
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timf
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| posted on 4/11/04 at 04:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeffers_S13
How much is the SVA guide, I cant find anything about it on the VOSA website.
James
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/publications/sva%20newsletter%20-%20october%202001.pdf#xml=http://www.vosa.gov.uk/SCRIPTS/texis.exe/webinator/search/xml.t
xt?query=esva+manual&pr=VOSA&order=r&cq=&id=418a5944f
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