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speedyxjs - 21/11/08 at 06:58 PM

What type of bolts have all you guys used to secure the wishbones at the chassis end?
I have been unable to find anyone who will make some custom shoulder bolts for me (only looked and contacted people on the bay as of yet).
I was thinking about getting some thin walled tube, cutting to right length and putting a standard bolt through with washers on either end.


blakep82 - 21/11/08 at 07:23 PM

hmm, was looking at your photos when you were asking about the steering arm hitting the wishbone. whats wrong with normal 1/2" or M12 bolts? what size are the holes in the wishbones? just normal bolts should do the trick i would think.


IDONTBELEIVEIT - 21/11/08 at 08:05 PM

bolts are fine 8.8 tensile strength these have a portion of plain shank unthreaded,its sets that are threaded all the way down
i used these

LOL Rescued attachment 4bolts.jpg
Rescued attachment 4bolts.jpg


speedyxjs - 21/11/08 at 08:49 PM

^^^ My tutor at college gave me that when i asked him lol


speedyxjs - 21/11/08 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
hmm, was looking at your photos when you were asking about the steering arm hitting the wishbone. whats wrong with normal 1/2" or M12 bolts? what size are the holes in the wishbones? just normal bolts should do the trick i would think.


The top ones are 15mm dia and the bottoms are 20mm. Would normal bolts be ok? I read somewhere that the shoulder bolts are designed for movement of the wishbone.


blakep82 - 21/11/08 at 08:53 PM

like thingy up there said (sorry, can't remember his name ) bolts are only threaded some of the way down, set screws are threaded the whole way. get bolts, and you're sorted
they are usually just threaded at the last 1"

[Edited on 21/11/08 by blakep82]


speedyxjs - 21/11/08 at 09:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
like thingy up there said (sorry, can't remember his name ) bolts are only threaded some of the way down, set screws are threaded the whole way. get bolts, and you're sorted
they are usually just threaded at the last 1"

[Edited on 21/11/08 by blakep82]


Oh right. I didnt know that


blakep82 - 21/11/08 at 09:10 PM

bolt


set screw


sooooo, if you use 2 bolts per wish bone, in the normal way, that should be fine for you i'd say. 8.8 grade is fine, but these days i'm liking cap head bolts, which are almost all 12.8


mark chandler - 21/11/08 at 09:46 PM

I struggled to find any bolts, in the end popped down to the local agricultural suppliers, they have loads of odd ones for tractors etc.

Harper and Edes are on the road from Lewes to Uckfield/heathfield, I bet you go by them all the time, have a trawl through thier boxes.

Regards Mark


D Beddows - 21/11/08 at 09:48 PM

Sorry, is it just me or is it scary on here sometimes - you're building a car from scratch with a seriously heavy, seriously torquey engine and you don't know the difference between a set screw and a bolt............or were you joking about not knowing that......... hmmmmm


Canada EH! - 21/11/08 at 11:03 PM

Try your local aircraft repair facility, you want AN spec bolts. To measure length of shoulder required in inches then devide into 1/16" 5/16" dash 5, same for diameter 1/2' bolt dash 8, They also come with 1/2 depth nylocks for areas of little space. Overall length of bolt requires 3 threads showing after nut is tight. If you can't find them in the UK, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty in US, good prices and a great catalogue. P.S. Gets even for us Canucks buying half our stuff from the UK.


IDONTBELEIVEIT - 22/11/08 at 08:48 AM

oi oi blakey,i'll av you butler, thingies name is wayne


blakep82 - 22/11/08 at 09:42 AM

cor blimey!
sorry fella, i couldn't remember! nearly called you dean!


Mark Allanson - 22/11/08 at 11:12 AM

Why make everything so difficult for yourselves, just order the size you want from screwfix and get it next day Rescued attachment Bolt.jpg
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MikeRJ - 22/11/08 at 11:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs

The top ones are 15mm dia and the bottoms are 20mm. Would normal bolts be ok? I read somewhere that the shoulder bolts are designed for movement of the wishbone.


20mm! I think you may be better off getting a spacer turned up to fir the 20mm part, with a hole through the middle for a more sensible sized bolt, e.g. M10.


iank - 22/11/08 at 12:36 PM

Are you using donor wishbones? If you're using anything designed for a 7 then the holes in the wishbone are designed to have a polybush put through them not a bolt.

If using a shoulder bolt you'd need to be using a bearing, you can't just run a plain wishbone tube on one.


pocket rocket - 22/11/08 at 02:33 PM

Have you tried BAPP?
Thats where i got all the bolts i needed for my rocket and they were a great price.

http://www.bapp.co.uk/default2.htm

if you give them a call or fax with what you need they will give you a price and post next day...

Good luck, hope this helps


MikeRJ - 22/11/08 at 05:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by iank
If using a shoulder bolt you'd need to be using a bearing, you can't just run a plain wishbone tube on one.


I don't think that's his intention. The original bolts look like this:

Wishbone shafts
Wishbone shafts


iank - 22/11/08 at 05:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by iank
If using a shoulder bolt you'd need to be using a bearing, you can't just run a plain wishbone tube on one.


I don't think that's his intention. The original bolts look like this:
..


Hope not, but
quote:
I read somewhere that the shoulder bolts are designed for movement of the wishbone.
made me worried.
Maybe a picture of the wishbones in question would help?


blakep82 - 22/11/08 at 06:13 PM

^
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