myke pocock
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:00 PM |
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Take it easy? Mmmm!!!
Take it easy for the first few miles was the advice on here. On the way to the Hartside meet (nice to meet up with you guys) damp and greasy road,
tight 90 left and the back end starts to shift so back off a bit then shortly a medium 65 right. Bit of welly and it snapps round, smacks the bank and
dives of to the right ending up ,with the back end well into a ditch and no chance to get out. Luckily two lads in a Corsa sorted me out. Stress
cracks in the gell coat on both sides of the nose and its pushed up slightly on its mount, dented rim and grass caught between the rim and the tyre
(looks like it needs a shave!!) and a scratched number plate. Who's a DIPSTICK then!!! TAKE IT EASY FOR THE FIRST FEW MILES!!!!!!
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RichardK
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:02 PM |
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Whoops  live and learn eh?
Glad you're ok though...
Cheers
Rich
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blakep82
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:04 PM |
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[Edited on 29/8/09 by blakep82]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:11 PM |
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Every summer we get similar reports...
These cars can BITE in the wrong circumstances - they're so different from modern FWD cars.
F'rinstance - you say the back end started to go, so you backed off slightly - that's a FWD recovery technique that would save you in a
modern car. Unfortunately, in a RWD car you'll take a lot of the weight off the rear wheels, which means that there's a good chance that
the rear will try to overtake the front. The proper RWD technique is to get the speed sorted before the curve, and either steady speed or
acceleration through it, to maintain weight on the rear. If the turn is too slippery - you were going in too fast.
Not trying to preach - I'm really glad that you got off relatively lightly.
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coozer
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:16 PM |
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Your right, take it easy... pass your SVA then put 600 miles on it over 4 weeks then a sunny (wet) morning WHACK!
 
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james h
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 08:25 PM |
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It was a brilliant run out today, am pretty sure everyone got the back end around - the road up to hartside was very very greasy!
I'll have to take it easy when I get my reg documents through next week - makes you realise how susceptible these cars are to the road
conditions. Especially as I am not used to a car with more power than a blender... 
btw I thought if the back end came around on a fwd car you would put the power down to pull you straight? Lifting off gives lift off oversteer as my
brother found out in his nova
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hobzy
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 09:10 PM |
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Yep, was doing less than 30 when this happened. Happens to the best of us and often nowt you could have done...
Link instead of pic to save BW - soz fozzie 
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/hobzy7567/Kit%20car/IMG_2958.jpg
Sounds like you came out ok. Good luck with the repairs...
[Edited on 30/8/09 by hobzy]
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BenB
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 09:51 PM |
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Yup. Appears you applied the FWD correction to a RWD car!!! Can happen to anyone. Done it myself a few times....
Once the back end goes on a RWD car you're in for some tricky times. Back off and you crash, put too much power to the rear and the tyres spin
and off you go.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 10:26 PM |
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Only ever had the back end go once, and opposite lock didn't do much lol...
I found it's mostly understeer, and braking cures it 
Hey if you don't have the occasional off you're not pushing it hard enough 
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Fozzie
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 10:35 PM |
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Can you please REDUCE the pictures....
Thank you,
Fozzie...(Admin)
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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miikae
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 10:45 PM |
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I often had my old 944 fish tailing in the winter months upon applying power after turning off the main road onto our country lane which was often
covered in ice , the only way to straighten it up was to de-clutch , as trying to drive out of it only made the fish tailing worse and i didnt fancy
testing out the water depth in ditches either side of the road.
Mike
If it can be done it i will be done .
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craig1410
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| posted on 29/8/09 at 10:45 PM |
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I find that if the back starts to go, it is usually due to too much throttle and by backing off to neutral throttle (not lift off) I can stabilise the
car's balance. Make sure you wear an old pair of shoes with the thinnest soles you can find (holes in the soles are good!) or ideally racing
boots when you drive because it helps the feel of the throttle. Also, make sure your seat is adjusted correctly as this can affect your steering
responses as much as giving better pedal feel.
It's also a good idea to find some private ground (or a deserted piece of tarmac somewhere) and get used to the handling of the car by provoking
spins and slides. It's the best way to learn how to control the car short of a commercial training course. I also find snow on he ground an
excellent opportunity to learn car handling at vastly reduced speeds. The same things happen but at 1/4 of the speed. Bloody good fun too!!
Glad the damage is not too bad by the way!
Craig.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 06:18 AM |
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The aBove is all true.
But....
There are situations where it is not an excess of throttle which causes the back end to come round.
If you're braking heavily and have the car in the right gear to scream out of the corner, the unpowered wheels really want to slow down due to
engine braking, bu not necessarily at the same speed as you are applying braking to the front.
This Spin was not caused by a heavy right foot, but by unequal rates of
braking being applied to the wheels via the gear selected and the amount of braking being applied.
[Edited on 30/8/09 by zilspeed]
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wilkingj
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 09:34 AM |
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Its not just the "taking it easy" bit, Maybee you WERE taking it easier. However, were you "READING" the road and its surface
as well?
You need to keep your eyes on the road, its surface, the bumps, holes, cambers (expecially the cambers on corners).
Its not something we tend to do in a normal car and on a normal road.
I find that I am knackerd after going out in the Viento. I concentrate so much on everything out there, it just tires me out!.
However, as everyone says, these cars can bite, so you need to learn how your car drives, and pay EXTRA attention to everything around you.
At least you appear to have come off not too badly, and no one was seriously hurt.
Chin up, sounds like its a lesson learned, and it will help to improve your driving and experience. Remember it COULD have been a LOT WORSE!
An old saying:
When we dont get what we want, we do get some experience
Take care, and get the car back on the road, get in it and drive again with your new found experience to guide you, and keep pluggin the message to
the new drivers.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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BenB
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 09:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
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It's also a good idea to find some private ground (or a deserted piece of tarmac somewhere) and get used to the handling of the car by provoking
spins and slides. It's the best way to learn how to control the car short of a commercial training course. I also find snow on he ground an
excellent opportunity to learn car handling at vastly reduced speeds. The same things happen but at 1/4 of the speed. Bloody good fun too!!
Glad the damage is not too bad by the way!
Craig.
I'd certainly agree re testing on private roads. At the trackday I went to up in Cambs they make a large "freestyle" area where you
could do doughnuts etc. It was right at the end of the slalom timing run so you could hoon in there at high speed and test various slides / generally
push beyond the limit etc. Very interesting.....
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bigfoot4616
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 03:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by james h
It was a brilliant run out today, am pretty sure everyone got the back end around - the road up to hartside was very very greasy!
i did provoke mine into doing it a couple of times on that section
quote:
Originally posted by james h
btw I thought if the back end came around on a fwd car you would put the power down to pull you straight? Lifting off gives lift off oversteer as my
brother found out in his nova
correct. never lift of if the back steps out on a FWD car
bit of opposite lock and easing of the throttle a little seems to sort my striker out
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 5/9/09 at 06:16 PM |
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I've been thinking of a rule for this, I'd like your opinions:
"If you can do it in a tintop you can do it in your seven."
Of course that's not going to apply so much if your tintop is a DB9 or ST220...
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/9/09 at 08:16 PM |
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I think ex bikers make better 7 drivers (even if it was back in the 70's!)
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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craig1410
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| posted on 5/9/09 at 08:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
I think ex bikers make better 7 drivers (even if it was back in the 70's!)
Ex go-kart drivers maybe...
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miikae
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| posted on 5/9/09 at 08:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
I think ex bikers make better 7 drivers (even if it was back in the 70's!)
I'll go with that as i have been a biker since the mid 60s and i have still got my trusty 1965 T100ss, got my spills over with then albiet the
pop didnt help but the roads where clear at night then.
Mike
[Edited on 5-9-2009 by miikae]
If it can be done it i will be done .
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 5/9/09 at 08:49 PM |
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Morris Minor pick up drivers perhaps, especially those fitted with cross ply tyres
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